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1Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:13 am

Tom FKR

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G'day All, Smithy has kindly offered to come down to help repair/replace the spragg clutch in the white100RT (aka the Goulburn bike) on Sunday 11th Oct. Anyone interested in this workshop, just turn up at my place Sunday morning. (not too early). Just let me know . Cheers Tom

    

2Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:16 am

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sKones??

Wish some of us lived closer!!


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3Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:32 am

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@92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:sKones??

Wish some of us lived closer!!
Only a plane flight away.   (o)

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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

4Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:33 am

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Unfortunately tied up with the Zund-long german word run and bike show on that day.

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5Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:02 pm

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Sorry Tom (and Smithy) but that is Bathurst weekend. Must stay on couch.
That is something I have not done and would love to see someone else do it, but, you know, Bathurst.


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6Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:18 pm

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@rosskko wrote:Sorry Tom (and Smithy) but that is Bathurst weekend. Must stay on  couch.
That is something I have not done and would love to see someone else do it, but, you know, Bathurst.
Perhaps Tom could move the TV to the shed for the day?

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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

7Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:42 am

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Rossko, a couch as well as a TV can be moved into the shed to accommodate your Bathurst needs. Tom

    

8Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:22 am

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pretty ambitious to do it in one day (with Bathurst on the telli )  ,,,but im sure with smithys help ...and a few others   you will get it done ..
good luck guys

some times I wish I lived a little closer tom


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9Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:03 pm

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The best part of the Bathurst race is the last 5 laps, as these day's the amount of safety cars for small incidents turns the race into a last 5 lap sprint. It should be a good day watch the race down some beers and fix a bike, it doesn't get better than that.


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10Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:40 pm

Tom FKR

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Thanks Charlie and Smithy, It will be a great day. The rear engine seal etc. is on the way and a TV will be installed in the shed. ( don't know where) and the Goulburn bike will have the gearbox,clutch and intermediate housing removed by the time Smithy arrives. This gives us more time for the race. Looking forward to it. Just a matter of getting some order into the shed.... Cheers Tom

    

11Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:05 pm

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Shed? Order?

Think mutually exclusive. For proof, see my shed. lol!

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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

12Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:54 pm

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G'day All, You are dead right Bill. The shed is now in an utter state of disorder. Was going great, Got the final drive ,drive shaft, gear box out and all was good until it was time to undo the bolts in the intermediate housing. A few of the torx bolt heads had already been stripped and I managed to strip a couple more...they were tight. Any suggestions as to how to remove these bolts?? Also , is there any reason these bolts cannot be replaced with allen key head bolts if the heads are of the same size??  Thanks muchly in advance. Tom

    

13Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:53 am

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I haven't pulled a K down that far, so I'm not familiar with the actual construction. If the heads are drilled off, is there enough left after housing removal to grip with a stud remover or vice grips? (After applying some penetrating oil and waiting.)

Re Allen head bolts, I can't see any problem as long as they don't foul anything in the area. For that matter, even a hex head bolt, again as long as it doesn't foul anything. (As I said, not familiar with the internals of that part of a K.)

Apart from that, really the only issue to consider is to use a torque wrench when reassembling, as always with a steel bolt into aluminium alloy. 

Regards,

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

14Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:10 am

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Hi Tom
Try one of these Irwin Bolt Removers attached to a hammer drill.
Available from bunnings cheaper than ebay.
You can also get smaller sizes with Ľ" hex shank


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1989 K100RT     VIN No.  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN No.  0451808
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15Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:29 am

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Looks like it might work better with an air rattle gun rather than a hammer drill. Might look for a set. 

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

16Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:38 am

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Hey Tom, if your having trouble just wait until I get there and I might be able to drive the next size torx socket into it and hit it with a persuader and see if it loosens. Don't try and remove them if you haven't got torx sockets. I'll bring down a good set of torx bolts with me, to replace the shit ones.


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17Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:09 am

Tom FKR

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Thanks Craig, Used a set of Easy Outs and Housing is now off... Those bolts were tight. I have a set of Torx sockets , but they were overwhelmed. So, all good looking forward to Saturday. Cheers Tom

    

18Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:03 pm

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Well done Tom, you wont need me you'll probably have it back together by the time I get there.


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19Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:30 pm

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You can put standard Allen head bolts back in there - I did - IMHO BMW really dropped the ball when they chose to fit Torx to that one place only. Another tip to get Torx out when the edges start to round off: hammer in the relevant-sized Allen bit. Just make sure it's good quality (Snap-On, Teng, Makita, Bahco, etc.) so that it cuts a good socket for itself. In that case I beat seven bells out of a Teng allen bit; the Torx came out and there was hardly a mark on the Teng.


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20Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:24 pm

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Thanks Dai and Craig, methinks a trip to the nut and bolt place is in order to get some allen key headed bolts to replace those torx bolts. Craig, I always fins pulling things to bits the easier part of the project, so the putting together bit will need your know how and skill. Cheers Tom

    

21Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:10 am

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G'day All, unfortunately Smithy's tutorial/workshop has been cancelled. Smithy's bike broke down at Gloucester about lunch time and will soon be on its way back to Guyra in the back of the ute. Maybe Waz's luck is heading in Smithy's direction. Hope the breakdown is not too ugly. Cheers Tom

    

22Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:24 am

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Not good Smithy!

Were you travelling on the RS or the project bike?

Cheers


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23Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:35 am

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bugga !!! ...hope all is well tom ..and smithy


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24Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:27 am

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I wasn't expecting to be bringing the bike back on the ute. I was having a great ride on a top morning until I got to Gloucester and things went pear shaped. The bike lost all drive, it can get gears but still wont drive in those gears, clutch works fine but there is a grinding noise coming from the gearbox when in gear and the wheel is turned , I suspect it could have striped some splines I will check it out tomorrow. I would have liked to have been there to help with the spragg, I'm sure you'll get it all back together with no problems Tom.
I'm lucky to have a wonderful wife that travelled 3 hours in the ute to collect me, while I waited in the air-conditioned comfort of the Gloucester bowling club drinking ales, thanks Kay. What a suck hole I am!  

Not a good look for a K, Yes the project bike Gaz


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25Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:49 am

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Glad you got home OK Smithy and we hope the damage is not too serious. Bill arrived from Goulburn about 9.00 this evening so we will attack the spragg tomorrow. I remember Alby had a real good post about the spragg about 2 - 3 years ago. Will keep you posted. Cheers Bill and Tom

    

26Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:12 am

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Hopefully, Tom's and my skills will be up to the task, after Tom did all the hard work in dismantling. There is always "phone a friend" too. 

Smithy, you have a treasure of a wife. Look after her.  Very Happy

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

27Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:46 pm

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G'day All, the spragg came out easily enough and Bill was reluctant to take it apart so we soaked it in petrol for a while and gave it a bit of a scrub with a toothbrush. Reassembled it into the inter. housing. Temporarily bolted the housing and the gearbox on,fitted the starter motor, applied 12v, and tested the spragg which operated successfully on 1st push of button. Thanks to all for help especially Smithy and Bill. Now in process of reassembling the whole thing.Will keep you posted. Cheers Tom

    

28Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:01 pm

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Well done lads. I've had a swig of the company Jaegermeister on your behalf.


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29Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:31 pm

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Bob, Good to see the old J'meister being put to good use. Cheers Tom

    

30Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:37 pm

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Should have had some Jaegermeister prior to reassembly and you might have gone on and taken the spragg clutch assembly apart. you guys had each other for moral support and still baulked at the final hurdle! Shokking but maybe SENSIBLE


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31Back to top Go down    Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:52 pm

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G'day Rawdonball, I was relying entirely on my learned friend's superior knowledge in these matters. When things are reassembled, the white beast will be tidied up and sold. Cheers Tom

    

32Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:04 am

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Sensible to not take it apart if it is working ok, but if there was a need, we would have proceeded. 

More importantly, Tom and I discussed the things that need to be done to sort out all the country's problems. 
The conclusion was that Tom and I would be the best benevolent dictators that money could buy. Smithy, you could have been part of the triumvirate if your steed hadn't let you down. For the want of a horse . . . Razz

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

33Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:26 am

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sorry I missed this one Tom , distracted elsewhere . Work mainly , had me sidelined . 
Would have enjoyed a run down with Smithy.
good to hear you guys got on top of a few world issues and the spragg. 
let us know when we can bring some sKones along for the next session .


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34Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:48 am

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good to hear tom

hope it goes back together ..without too many issues

cheers mate !


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Thanks Ed and Charlie, Once the gearbox is back on an attempt will be made to fire it up. I reckon the next session down here will be a 'put some order in the shed party'..... we'll see. Cheers Tom

    

36Back to top Go down    Re: Spragg Clutch Repair/Replacement on Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:37 pm

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Sensible not to dismantle the sprag clutch if you dont have to. All those little tiny small springs and sprags are a bugger to get back in place. All I did with mine was wash it, then wash it again etc until there was no more dirt. Surprising how much crap came out. Works like a new one now.

    

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