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1Back to top Go down    Led lights for trailer on Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:59 am

Garyk100

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Hi all,
I now have a classic motorcycle trailer, I have read many posts on here about converting the bike and trailer bulbs to led style, resistors diode and cutting number 7 pin!!!! Cause the normal wiring will not take the draw that the extra trailer lights need.
My thoughts are, what if I just change the trailer lights to led as they don't draw much of a current.
Anyone have any ideas??? Will this work??
Cheers Gary


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2Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:19 am

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Gary , I never got round to converting mine over to LED , but Rick G suggested it was a much better option for trailers.
I always found the standard bulbs a bit dull. Hope it goes well for you .


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3Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:59 am

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I have LEDs on my camper and they work fine with the blinker unit as it is. I cant remember where I got them or the brand but they are the typical about 170mm x 80mm with red stop/tail and orange blinkers.


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4Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:12 am

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Thanks GroverK and RickG
I will find the equivalent led bulbs on eBay , then fit the tow bar and then connect the wiring...........then "I will be back" to ask more questions probably. But when it's all done I will be able to get on and off my K cause all the gear will be in the black matching trailer not on the seat where it stops me throwing my leg over. Woohoo


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5Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:38 am

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ive swapped from filament to led on the trailer and can only recommend the same , no troubles and much more visible .

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6Back to top Go down    Trailer struts on Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:48 am

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thanks beanoldboy, ordered them thru eBay last nite, I know I am in the electrical area, and there might be a place to ask in the forum somewhere, but does anyone know the length of the struts and psi of the struts that hold the lid up on a 2004 ultra lite trailer, mine measures 500mm and have minus 20psi in them, they are old and the sticker with the details is faded, not sure they are original as the nuts on them are too big and loose and starting to wear the rubber seal, hope new nuts come with the new ones.
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7Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:25 am

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Classic Industries still make em, they are selling up so phone soon, and their website has specs and contact details .



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8Back to top Go down    Classic ind on Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:03 am

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Yes classic ind, just got a new set of mud flaps from them. Did a bit of searching and found some info on trailers! interesting reading Rick, thanks Gary


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9Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:05 am

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Hi Bean or anyone else that can help, bought these off eBay but they don't work like the old filament style, they are bright but there is minimal difference in the brightness when the brake light is on, tried swapping the wires around but that did not help, Gary

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/191216472025?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


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10Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:06 am

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I've tried using the LED's to replace the normal bulbs and found the same thing as you.

There wasn't much difference between the "brilliance" of the tail light and the brake light.


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11Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:27 am

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I have gone back to using the "old" style bulbs and they work well, but the brake light is not working off the front brake switch, if I press the rear brake lever it lights up the bike and trailer brake light, maybe the switch is dirty or faulty, oh and if I disconnect the trailer the front brake still does not activate the brake light, (think I just answered my own question) does anyone use led for the brake/Parker ?????


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12Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:40 am

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yeah amazing isn't it ....seems the problem is, that there are so many of them that the "slightly on" is still pretty bright... some times the size of the leds (or section of leds ) creates the optical illusion of brightness regardless of the actual energy consumed ..or the Chinese have just got it wrong again ..


I think some time ago we looked at installing leds to the rear stop light ...as additional light ....from memory avenger did some with smaller leds say 5 mm rather than 10 mm ...and slightly further apart ...but higher led count ....it occurred to me at the time that it is hard to differentiate any high brightness leds amplitude of light output (brightness ) once they strike ...there are however lower powered leds that do appear to emulate the incandescent globe output at lower outputs ..I haven't seen many that are in production that do this ....what I do see is that they use far fewer elements of leds to differentiate running lights (parkers ) to stop light function ...say on a matrix of 5 x 5 leds they use the outer rows of leds to indicate running ...and the full matrix for stop indication .

that would be pretty hard to emulate in a ba type light source ....globe

keep at it garry ...don't give up ...leds are the way to go ...but dropin replacements are sometimes very unpredictable


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13Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:11 am

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It is amazing but a bit of a worry, I would not like to follow a trailer with these led lights fitted, begs the question are these LEDs I have legal to be used on a road.


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14Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:26 am

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no ...


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15Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:33 am

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You didnt change to LED lights, you just changed the bulbs. I have full LED lights on my trailer, they work brilliantly, plenty of difference between the tail and the stop as well.

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16Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:53 am

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It depends on what you buy. A lot of these combined tail light/brake light units have a resistor in them to reduce power for the 'tail light' function. Hit the brakes and the resistor is bypassed. There's a minimal difference in brightness and as a result, nearly useless.

For those units that are built into bayonet caps (ordinary bulb fittings), you can get them with different numbers of LEDs built in, from nine to twenty-four. If you were to fit a nine-led bulb to the tail light and a twenty-four led unit to the brake light (they won't fit K tail lights but...), you'd get a distinct and noticable difference.

LED bulbs seems to be the answer to blown bulbs but they're not. They are very definately not vibration proof, whereas tungsten filaments have been designed to work in high-vibration environments (okay, so maybe not quite so high as produced by some older British bikes). IMO, LEDs as a vehicle lighting technology are maturing - some high-end European cars come with them as standard - but as a replacement for motorcycle lighting, not by a long way yet.


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17Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:18 am

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I got tired of stuffing about with LED bulbs and splashed out for the real thing Tail/stop/indicator in one sealed unit and have not had to do a fix in years.


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18Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:26 am

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AL-58 wrote:You didnt change to LED lights, you just changed the bulbs. I have full LED lights on my trailer, they work brilliantly, plenty of difference between the tail and the stop as well.

Al
Yes I thought the cheapest way was to replace the globes with led bulbs, but maybe I should have gone the full led lights on the trailer, but the bank is a bit sad after the trailer.


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19Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:39 am

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RicK G wrote:I got tired of stuffing about with LED bulbs and splashed out for the real thing Tail/stop/indicator in one sealed unit and have not had to do a fix in years.
Thanks Rick, will start lookin on eBay, do your led lights illuminate the rego plate or do you have a seperate light.


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20Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:50 am

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Garyk100 wrote:
RicK G wrote:I got tired of stuffing about with LED bulbs and splashed out for the real thing Tail/stop/indicator in one sealed unit and have not had to do a fix in years.
Thanks Rick, will start lookin on eBay, do your led lights illuminate the rego plate or do you have a seperate light.
No I needed a special light for that.


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21Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:10 pm

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RicK G wrote:
Garyk100 wrote:
RicK G wrote:I got tired of stuffing about with LED bulbs and splashed out for the real thing Tail/stop/indicator in one sealed unit and have not had to do a fix in years.
Thanks Rick, will start lookin on eBay, do your led lights illuminate the rego plate or do you have a seperate light.
No I needed a special light for that.
Many of the LED tail light units have number plate lighting incorporated, but that also assumes the number plate is suitably located in relation to the light, which isn't always feasible.

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22Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:42 pm

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Thank you to everyone who replied to my post, will PayPal/eBay some LEDs (the complete unit no more bulbs) Cheers Gary:beer:


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23Back to top Go down    Re: Led lights for trailer on Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:19 pm

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You could try installing a resistor in series with the positive feed to the tail light. A bit of experimentation with different values should give you enough of a difference between tail and stop light brightness.
As Charlie says I added LEDs to both sides of the tail light unit on my bike, and they are very effective. There is a marked difference between tail and brake light brightness which doesn't show up very well in the photographs, but is very noticeable in reality. Post 256 in Charlie's thread.

http://www.k100-forum.com/t1833p250-85-rt-resto-my-attempt-hey-im-not-into-making-a-show-bike

    

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