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1Back to top Go down    K100 RS 16V ECU on Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:49 pm

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hi to one and all just putting this up to get some first hand info on 16valve ecu's im putting together a k100 rs 16v motor into a 1988 frame and have got a k1100 rs g-box and paralever fd assembly and secured a k100 rs16v motor from halo for the project to replace a 8valve motor intended for it , i have secured the main wiring loom and the engine [injection] loom and the the ignition control unit for it [ all from a 1990/1991 k100 16v what im chasing is a ECU to suit the rest , garyK told me his bike is running one a bosch unit number # 0-261-200-250 with another number on the id label 1464417 , now i have been offered a ECU from a '92-'93 k1100 lt if it has the same bosch number - as the 16v will it be compatible with the 1000cc motor or will the " brains" be different and what is this last number in black lettering mean ??? im not real savvy on injection/ ecu stuff being a carby man from way back any information or the slim possibility a forum member might have one they might part with will be appreciated woodcutter

    

2Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:35 am

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Steve. FYI, BMW take the Bosh part no. for the FICU and add 1361 to the front. This helps when you are searching realoem.com for part numbers.

The correct FICU oem part no. for a 1992 K100 with Catalytic conver is #13611464649 so you'd be looking for a Bosch part no. #1464649

It was superseded by #13611464717 in 05/93 and is not backwards compatible so you don't want that one.

Other models suitable which are compatible retrospectively are 13611464607 and 13611464491

Part no. 13611464649 was also used in K1100RS & RT from 06/89 to 04/99.

Best you check the info out for yourself
This is the link to the parts list for the throttle assembly and control unit.
This is the link to the part cross-reference.

Hope this helps.


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1988 K100RT VIN No. 0094680
1989 K100RT VIN No. 0097367 (naked)
1996 K1100RS VIN No. 0451808
Fuel: 95 Octane
Engine Oil:Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil: Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

3Back to top Go down    re ecu's for k100rs 16v on Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:03 am

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Holister wrote:Steve. FYI, BMW take the Bosh part no. for the FICU and add 1361 to the front. This helps when you are searching realoem.com for part numbers.

The correct FICU oem part no. for a 1992 K100 with Catalytic conver is #13611464649 so you'd be looking for a Bosch part no. #1464649

It was superseded by #13611464717 in 05/93 and is not backwards compatible so you don't want that one.

Other models suitable which are compatible retrospectively are 13611464607 and 13611464491

Part no. 13611464649 was also used in K1100RS & RT from 06/89 to 04/99.

Best you check the info out for yourself
This is the link to the parts list for the throttle assembly and control unit.
This is the link to the part cross-reference.

Hope this helps.
thanks nigel its all a bit confusing for a newcomer to FI systems but it wont have a catalytic converter or abs so ill just leave the plug for abs not connected and remove the 2 abs relays from the relay housing i have a couple of ECU's on watch with the 0-261-200-250 bosch number on the id plate but i remember the listing saying they were for cat / kat so not sure if they will be of any use . Its not urgent at this stage so no panic and i had confirmation back from bmw motorrad in munich saying that that the mbm098745 number does'nt ring a bell [ probably for an overseas market ] but the serial number does and have confirmed the motor was produced on the 38 week of 1990 ie; 12th of september and was installed into a frame and subsequently exported to australia so thats a step in the right direction thanks for the info mate best regards steve

    

4Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:28 am

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Steve, another quick search on realoem shows that for a non-Kat FICU you can use any of these Bosch part no.s
1464479*
1464417*
1464288
1464289
*The first two are later model Motronics so I would favour one of those for your '92 16V

A later version 1464710 - supersedes all the above but is not backwards compatible

Like with the Kat versions, these were also used on the K1100 RS and LT

All this info is on realoem

These non-Kat FICUs were used on the police bikes.

So, to answer your question....
i have been offered a ECU from a '92-'93 k1100 lt if it has the same bosch number - as the 16v will it be compatible with the 1000cc
Yes., but just check. It should be one of the four part numbers listed above.

Good luck with this mate.


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1988 K100RT VIN No. 0094680
1989 K100RT VIN No. 0097367 (naked)
1996 K1100RS VIN No. 0451808
Fuel: 95 Octane
Engine Oil:Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil: Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

5Back to top Go down    re best ecu for my k100 16v project on Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:38 am

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Holister wrote:Steve, another quick search on realoem shows that for a non-Kat FICU you can use any of these Bosch part no.s
1464479*
1464417*
1464288
1464289
*The first two are later model Motronics so I would favour one of those for your '92 16V

A later version 1464710 - supersedes all the above but is not backwards compatible

Like with the Kat versions, these were also used on the K1100 RS and LT

All this info is on realoem

These non-Kat FICUs were used on the police bikes.

So, to answer your question....
i have been offered a ECU from a '92-'93 k1100 lt if it has the same bosch number - as the 16v will it be compatible with the 1000cc
Yes., but just check. It should be one of the four part numbers listed above.

Good luck with this mate.
cool all good nigel i have located a 1993 non abs k1100 lt in wa thats in bits for sale and spoke to the guy but he's way from home for 2 weeks and said there is an ecu there not sure of the number he will post photos when he gets back home asked how much for it " ah how does $50 sound " what can one say to that , now he has also the k1100 gearbox and swingarm and paralever rear fd would you like me to quiz him on it for you and see what $$$$$$$ he wants for it future project maybe lmao cheers nigel and thanks again for the info

    

6Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:03 am

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Find out what he wants for it but I fear the freight may be way too much. Yeah, I was thinking of putting a paralever on the back of my 'Old Girl' but now I have the 1100 that mod is now not so important. She run out of rego this weekend and is in mothballs now till I can get to her next year. Cheers


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1988 K100RT VIN No. 0094680
1989 K100RT VIN No. 0097367 (naked)
1996 K1100RS VIN No. 0451808
Fuel: 95 Octane
Engine Oil:Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil: Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

7Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:47 am

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Holister wrote:Steve, another quick search on realoem shows that for a non-Kat FICU you can use any of these Bosch part no.s
1464479*
1464417*
1464288
1464289

That isn't a Bosch part# but a BMW part#.....if you look around on your bike you gonna find a lot of parts marked with last seven digits of the part#.


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8Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:46 pm

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You'll need to use the appropriate ECU for the engine harness based on whether you're using an O2 sensor in the exhaust or the manual adjustment pot. I have a spare pot I would give up, and may have an early '93 (late '93 all manner of things changed, Motronically) ECU in my stash. Be sure you have the ignition module where necessary, as well. I have one of those, too. I'll be back in Brissie on the 29th of September.


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9Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:02 pm

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Two Wheels Better wrote:You'll need to use the appropriate ECU for the engine harness based on whether you're using an O2 sensor in the exhaust or the manual adjustment pot. I have a spare pot I would give up, and may have an early '93 (late '93 all manner of things changed, Motronically) ECU in my stash. Be sure you have the ignition module where necessary, as well. I have one of those, too. I'll be back in Brissie on the 29th of September.
hi twb yeah im just putting together bits at the moment i was already to drop the k100 2v motor and k1100 g-box and paralever FD into frame then bought this 4valve motor from halo so now back to getting the appropriate bits [mainly electrical] to complete the change over , i picked up a 1990 /1991 k100rs 4v main loom from the UK , and a super clean low klms ignition control unit from the farterland , and now tonight a set of 4valve ignition coils again from the farterland [45euros posted ] all i need now is an ECU and some ignition leads , as you might of read hollister has been helping out with the different ecu's that are compatible for my engine , theres a 1993 k1100 lt being wrecked in perth and hopeful it will produce the right ECU , the other thing thats got me thinking is the main loom has the wires and the big multi plug for the cursed ABS , twb do i unravel the tape and separate the wires down to the abs relays and remove them as well then re tape it back up , or just pull the relays out an tuck the multiplug up some where as i'd like to keep the wiring fairly tidy etc so back to brissie for the spring how appropriate eh !! well im keen to see photos of the big block your putting together well time to slide into the ol' fart sack mate cheers and best regards woodcutter

oh and keep me in touch about the '93 ecu when you get back to oz, and i wont be running abs or o2 sensors either



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10Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:47 am

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Holister wrote:Steve, another quick search on realoem shows that for a non-Kat FICU you can use any of these Bosch part no.s
1464479*
1464417*
1464288
1464289
*The first two are later model Motronics so I would favour one of those for your '92 16V

A later version 1464710 - supersedes all the above but is not backwards compatible

Like with the Kat versions, these were also used on the K1100 RS and LT

All this info is on realoem

These non-Kat FICUs were used on the police bikes.

So, to answer your question....
i have been offered a ECU from a '92-'93 k1100 lt if it has the same bosch number - as the 16v will it be compatible with the 1000cc
Yes., but just check. It should be one of the four part numbers listed above.

Good luck with this mate.
not sure what "not backwards compatible" means ie; cant be used on previous models / applications yes !!

    

11Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:26 am

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Woodcutter wrote:..... cant be used on previous models / applications yes !!
Yes


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1988 K100RT VIN No. 0094680
1989 K100RT VIN No. 0097367 (naked)
1996 K1100RS VIN No. 0451808
Fuel: 95 Octane
Engine Oil:Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil: Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

12Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:41 am

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Two Wheels Better wrote:You'll need to use the appropriate ECU for the engine harness based on whether you're using an O2 sensor in the exhaust or the manual adjustment pot. I have a spare pot I would give up, and may have an early '93 (late '93 all manner of things changed, Motronically) ECU in my stash. Be sure you have the ignition module where necessary, as well. I have one of those, too. I'll be back in Brissie on the 29th of September.
hi daz , not sure if you got my last message but welcome back to oz , just wondering if you still may that ecu for my k100 rs 16v project bike let me know either way , and i see your heading to clunes soon thats a good stones chuck from where i live on the west side of the grampians nice country here let me know if you have one still hollister tells me i need either a 1464479 or a 1464417 type non cat well have a enjoyable trip down to the moto-gp with the northern gang best regards steve

    

13Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:40 am

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Sorry mate, I hadn't read that post. It turns out the ECU (correct number for your model) is not in OZ but back in Tacoma. No luck this time, but I'll dig thru my shed when I get back after the 6th of November and if postage isn't abysmally high I can send it over. I don't need much for it. Sorry about not paying attention. The Summer off, the travels, this trip, etc., has had me spinning, distracted. Good to be home relaxing for six weeks, though. I look forward to visiting my rellies around Clunes. I have a photo of my old airhead down the bottom of the Grampians several years ago, Mt Thackeray, to be precise, my surname.


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14Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:29 am

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Two Wheels Better wrote:Sorry mate, I hadn't read that post. It turns out the ECU (correct number for your model) is not in OZ but back in Tacoma. No luck this time, but I'll dig thru my shed when I get back after the 6th of November and if postage isn't abysmally high I can send it over. I don't need much for it. Sorry about not paying attention. The Summer off, the travels, this trip, etc., has had me spinning, distracted. Good to be home relaxing for six weeks, though. I look forward to visiting my rellies around Clunes. I have a photo of my old airhead down the bottom of the Grampians several years ago, Mt Thackeray, to be precise, my surname.

all good i thought you might of overlooked it with all the excitement of returning to oz etc etc etc , so theres no rush on the ecu i can wait till you return to the states and see what turns up and if you have one there i will fix you up for it and postage i already have the ignition control module to suit it the motor is from halo's collection and is a 1990-1992 k100 RS 16v running 0280-150-705 injectors . And if you have some time to kill before the MOTO-GP and feel up to a hop step and jump to the west side of the grampians you would be made most welcome , [charlie 99 and i had a long yak one night and discussions re 4 pintle upgrade injectors as i have purchased a set and was discussing their merits in a 4v motor , and he said he was going to catch up with you upon your return ], so anyway i reside between horsham and cavendish on the henty hwy, if you get an inclination to visit time permitting, oh & Mt Thackeray is nice have a safe trip down and enjoy the race ciao steve here's a few photos of what i'm up to and the view from my back door , my current ride , and workshop beats city living anyday .





    

15Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:22 am

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Great looking place you got there and a great view--nice kbike guard dog too. Too bad about the short blade on that chainsaw, or you could show that tree who's the boss...lol

    

16Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:58 pm

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Yeah, if you'd have PM'd me ( I don't read every thread) I would have looked and set it aside for you. From August to late September I was head down, wheels turning.


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17Back to top Go down    Re: K100 RS 16V ECU on Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:06 pm

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kennybob wrote:Great looking place you got there and a great view--nice kbike guard dog too. Too bad about the short blade on that chainsaw, or you could show that tree who's the boss...lol
thats a 32" bar on a ms660 and ive a 60" on a ms880 , as well as a 72" bar for the ms880 swap em out as needed 6 stihl saws altogether yeah and a great KBIKE guard dog as well and good workshop , views , just a great place to live KB great to have a short yak with you cheers steve

    

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