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1Back to top Go down    K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:21 am

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Can I use late model fuel pump filter with fuel return line in an early K100RS built 01/1985?

I can't find a separate part number for early fuel pump filter without the fuel return line. From 05/1985 onwards part number is 16121455126. 

Maybe I could order the filter without return line from US/UK, but is there a way I get the early filter from BMW or will the model with return line fit in the early tank?

    

2Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:17 am

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The pump PRE-filter (#1 below) is used on all K-series bikes with the 52mm fuel pump. This didn't change throughout the production of the K100 and K75 all models.

Can I use late model fuel pump filter with fuel return line in an early K100RS built 01/1985?
Are you referring to #10 below?
If so. That's the fuel filter. You can buy generic fuel filters for the K-bike for about $10 to $15

You can buy the PRE-filter from Motorworks and Motorbins in the UK and EME in the US.  They aren't very expensive. You'll pay more thru a BMW outlet.

If you have a generic pump you might need a different PRE-filter to suit.

There's no return line inside the tank. That hose with the inline filter (#10) is the output line.

Throw up a photo so we can see what you got.


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1988 K100RT     VIN No.  0094680
1989 K100RT     VIN No.  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN No.  0451808
     Fuel:  95 Octane
Engine Oil: Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil:  Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

3Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:35 am

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@Holister wrote:The pump PRE-filter (#1 below) is used on all K-series bikes with the 52mm fuel pump. This didn't change throughout the production of the K100 and K75 all models.

The whole topic is about part number #1. The PRE fuel filter which sits in the fuel pump vibration damper.

I do not get a part number for the PRE filter if I use my bike VIN in realoem.com.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=0503-EUR-01-1985-K589-BMW-K_100_RS_83_0502,0503,0513_&diagId=16_0809

If I choose manually 05/1985, then I get the part number for PRE filter #01.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=0503-EUR-05-1985-K589-BMW-K_100_RS_83_0502,0503,0513_&diagId=16_0809

According to euromotoelectrics the PRE-filter has changed during K100 production.

Here is the early version which I have in my bike:
http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/product-p/fp-576screena.htm

An this is the late version used 05/85 onwards:
http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/product-p/fp-576screen.htm

If I order with part number 6121455126, then I get the late version from BMW. 

Question is still the same. Can I use the late version in my early version bike?

    

4Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:58 am

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Yes

I've not seen what you call the early version pre-filter. But I've never owned an early model K.
I wouldn't believe anything EME says.
Realoem has this to say about that part number which you refer to a the later version. All models 1982 to 1991
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Part 16121455126 was found on the following vehicles:

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1988 K100RT     VIN No.  0094680
1989 K100RT     VIN No.  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN No.  0451808
     Fuel:  95 Octane
Engine Oil: Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil:  Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

5Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:00 am

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@Holister wrote:You can buy generic fuel filters for the K-bike for about $10 to $15

For people in the US, you can get a NAPA 3032 fuel filter for about $5.


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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
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86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
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6Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:07 am

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In addition.... EME use the same oem # for both 'pre' and 'post' versions. These are not BMW parts but are a Duralast brand. If BMW changed the design they would've given it a diferent part number.


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1988 K100RT     VIN No.  0094680
1989 K100RT     VIN No.  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN No.  0451808
     Fuel:  95 Octane
Engine Oil: Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil:  Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

7Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:09 am

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@Holister wrote:Yes

I've not seen what you call the early version pre-filter. But I've never owned an early model K.
I wouldn't believe anything EME says.
Realoem has this to say about that part number which you refer to a the later version. All models 1982 to 1991
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Part 16121455126 was found on the following vehicles:

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If you check the cross reference in ETK for part number 16121455126:
(05/1982 — 10/1991)

But if you choose a 05/1985 built bike, then it says from 05/1985.

part number 16121455126 looks like 
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/IiwAAOSwCQNWdouK/$_3.JPG

and my PRE filter looks like 
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgU4eyh6FsA-wnm4QiciJZXSJaUQ

    

8Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:27 am

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Well get the early version and use that if its what you've used previously. I don't really think it matters which one you use as long as it fits the end of the pump. Very Happy


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1988 K100RT     VIN No.  0094680
1989 K100RT     VIN No.  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN No.  0451808
     Fuel:  95 Octane
Engine Oil: Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil:  Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

9Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:56 am

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@Holister wrote:Well get the early version and use that if its what you've used previously. I don't really think it matters which one you use as long as it fits the end of the pump. Very Happy

New version will fit the pump for sure, but will it fit the tank?

Of course I can always buy the pre-version filter, but I can't get it quick from anywhere. Also ordering the filter from outside Finland will add the postage and in the end the filter will be pretty expensive.

Pictures from the tank.
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgU4eyh6FsA-wntoNjAqHWwXNcSV

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgU4eyh6FsA-wnofEM4Qs3ktCvGK

Also result of keeping old gas in the tank without using the bike for 15-20 years.

    

10Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:25 am

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..... but will it fit the tank?
.... because of the extension for the hose fitting??? As far as I know the metalwork inside the tank is the same for pre and post '85 tanks.... but someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that. Pretty sure it was just the external tank mountings that changed.

Good job you got that rubber damper out just in time before it made a complete mess of the inside of your tank. Laughing


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1988 K100RT     VIN No.  0094680
1989 K100RT     VIN No.  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN No.  0451808
     Fuel:  95 Octane
Engine Oil: Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil:  Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

11Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:14 am

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The very early models have also a different rubber damper.
If you want to use the later model prefilter you must also
change the rubber damper.


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12Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:28 am

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I already bought the new model damper and supporting ring. Maybe I'll buy the new model filter. I'll try to grind of the return fitting if it does not fit.

    

13Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:50 pm

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The pipe fitted to the later fuel pump pre-filters is a measure to prevent cavitation.


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14Back to top Go down    Re: K100 Fuel pump filter on Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:50 pm

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I bought later model pre-filter because I bought later model damper earlier. Early and later model pre-filters and dampers cannot be mixed together.

Later model pre-filter does not fit into early model tank without small tweak.

Early model tank has small reinforcement in the cut where the damper sits.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgU4eyh6FsA-wn6s3aYEWl6R52M0


Later model pre-filter does not go in the hole because of the fuel return line fitting.


https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgU4eyh6FsA-wn1AnKWBYVKrEnVp

I removed the small aluminium piece and filter fits.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgU4eyh6FsA-wn-5hkM8TsOF_tbx

I plugged the return line fitting with a 5mm bolt and package was ready for installation.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgU4eyh6FsA-wnzP-hoUNVv-6_PW

After 15-20 years, the old K100RS is up and running again. Runs pretty smooth after changing all vacuum lines and some other rubber parts to prevent air leaks.

    

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