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1Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Oh dear, no gears Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:00 am

DeRodster

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So, while travelling too the Ulster GP earlier today, and with just 30mins of a two hr journey to go, i reached the Hillsborough roundabout, only to discover i had a limp gearlever .... not a dicky bird, nada, nothing.
Thankfully, i have breakdown and recovery so finally got home by 13:00.

15:00 ... I had a go at jiggling the lever to try get her from 5th  into neutral. I managed it, but the shaft is rotating or suchlike and it seems I can move it in and out of the casing a quarter inch or so

Can anyone enlighten me as to what could have gone amiss

Thanks in expectation

Rod + K1100lt


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1943 BSA WM20
1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
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Grub screw in the transmission has probably come loose. Read this thread: https://www.k100-forum.com/t5030-final-drive-checkup-and-dealing-with-that-floppy-grub-screw


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3Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:23 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Rod, going on the forum threads here etc unless the gear lever is rotating on the splines and which knowing your K is well maintained its most unlikely. the other is that darn grub screw.

From what I see that's a rebuild gearbox or swap out another one and that's most likely the easier option. Having done a clutch and rear seal job changing a gearbox is a doddle once you have one to hand.

Have a word with Will, he has been sourcing K1100 parts.

Question for the forum: will a K100 gearbox do the job, 8 valve, 16 valve?



Last edited by 92KK 84WW Olaf on Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:44 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Typo re Will)


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 48,061 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 61,190 miles

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

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Case is different before about may 90 (no anchor point for the torque arm on paralever) and the top gear is slightly different ratio K100 8V and K75 is 1.67 and all 16V are 1.61


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5Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:17 am

Point-Seven-five

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Doing the grub screw is not that daunting of a task if you take your time.   In my experience it's a fairly straightforward job with a major payback.  It only takes a bit over an hour longer than doing a clutch spline lube.

It was the first job I did on my RT w/ABS when I got just so I could ride it home.  I started at 10am and had the bike on the road at 5pm with all splines lubed, swing arm bearings lubed, new brake pads and all hardware torqued properly with anti-seize.

28,000 miles later the transmission is working flawlessly with no further grub screw issues.  Of all the places BMW could have used red Loctite why didn't they use it on that screw?


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6Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:47 am

DeRodster

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thanks All for your informative replies.

I am on the quest and hope to get some progress today

Am hopeful it's the "grub screw", but we'll see

adios
Rod


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1943 BSA WM20
1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
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7Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:43 am

DeRodster

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I am thinking of getting one of those small 1500lb lifts for under the engine
I saw a piece by Motorhobo on Motobrick.com
http://www.motobrick.com/index.php?topic=5254.0
That goes some way to explain it's use.
I am wondering about the wooden block though, and whether I will need it

Any advice ???

ta
Rod


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8Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:29 am

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Rod

When I did mine we had a jack under the engine and the block of wood. Depends on how high your jack will reach, plus you need the wood to protect the sump plate fins.

The difficulty is that in taking off the rear end and gearbox you lose your stand assembly. You need the bike to be stable so you need to have the bike tied down at the front in some form, lock and chock the front end as you have no bike in gear to stop it rolling forward or sideways. An easy helper is that when you have done that place wood under the rear wheel so that its rested on the wood before you remove the rear shock. Then you have all the stresses off the fixings and in theory the whole lot slides back on the wheel rolling along the plank, one person guiding it and one person at the gear box end. I said in theory but it worked.

We took mine off all in one with the stand still on the gearbox. Drain the final drive first......if you want to leave it on its side.....

The job can be done single handed but a lot easier with two for getting the stuff off.

WD40 as much as you can too.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 48,061 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 61,190 miles

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

9Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:34 am

Point-Seven-five

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You can spend the money on the lift, but they don't work any better than a good floor jack and a stack of wood blocks. 

I used a borrowed one once; couldn't see how it was any better than my stack of 2x8 cut-offs.

One tip if you do use wood blocks, drill a hole where the oil drain plug will sit on the top block.


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Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

10Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:08 pm

Crazy Frog

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Just check This post on how to get the bike stable when you lift it. Very Happy


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11Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:30 pm

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I just put a sawhorse through the frame once the battery is taken out. VERY stable.

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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
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12Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:39 pm

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Judging by some of Rod's photos a rocking horse will be available.

An excellent idea too.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 48,061 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 61,190 miles

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

13Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:26 pm

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I use two saw horse's with a piece of 4" x 4" going through the frame, it gives me more access room around the bike. I also have a home made front wheel clamp frame, just for extra securlty. This is probably not needed but I have it so I use it. I also have a lift table but have not used it when removing the gearbox, too awkward,.
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Crazy Frog

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duck wrote:I just put a sawhorse through the frame once the battery is taken out. VERY stable.
For added security when using the sawhorse, I clamp the frame to the sawhorse.
This way, there is no way that you can tip the bike.
Oh dear, no gears Dsc_1510

Very important!
Install a support under the swing arm to avoid ripping the rubber boot at the front of the swing arm when you remove the suspension.

Also:
You have to remove the clutch cable, but before doing anything, you have to tie the actuator arm to the gear box. If you fail to do that, most of the times, when you remove the exhaust, the actuator arm will swing back and destroy the rubber boot. This is a $50 mistake. Been there done that!

Oh dear, no gears Dsc_1512

This is the $50 rubber boot at the back of the gear box.
Oh dear, no gears Rubber10
Happy wrenching!


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15Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty So far, so good Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:05 am

DeRodster

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Have been doing some prep work in advance of the main repair and so...


Oh dear, no gears 20170912


Now I just need to make up a wood piece for under the sump and up she goes

More anon
Rod


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1992 K1100LT 6455194
1943 BSA WM20
1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
1969 Honda 50
    

16Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:08 am

duck

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Crazy Frog wrote:
Install a support under the swing arm to avoid ripping the rubber boot at the front of the swing arm when you remove the suspension.

Also:
You have to remove the clutch cable, but before doing anything, you have to tie the actuator arm to the gear box. If you fail to do that, most of the times, when you remove the exhaust, the actuator arm will swing back and destroy the rubber boot. This is a $50 mistake. Been there done that!
This is the $50 rubber boot at the back of the gear box.
Oh dear, no gears Rubber10
Happy wrenching!

I've done many Ks and that boot at the front of the swing will pop off long before it tears.

You are correct however on being careful with the clutch pushrod boot. Those $50 things tear if you look at them crossways.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

17Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:26 am

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DeRodster wrote:Am hopeful it's the "grub screw", but we'll see
A testimony that hope takes unusual forms.

Anyway, here's what could amount to a useful video for you if its creator's voice doesn't lull you to sleep. Smile Grub screw action starts around 3:00 but it's all pretty exciting.


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DeRodster

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Thanks Duck & Laitch, I'll bear all that in mind when i get to those points


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1943 BSA WM20
1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
1969 Honda 50
    

19Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:57 pm

DeRodster

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1943 BSA WM20
1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
1969 Honda 50
    

20Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:46 am

DeRodster

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And while I was at it I thought I'd have a go getting the foot heat shield off too ...
those bolts are going to love copper grease

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1992 K1100LT 6455194
1943 BSA WM20
1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
1969 Honda 50
    

21Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:52 am

Dai

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Before you try to undo them, try to tighten them up. The idea is to crack any corrosion sealing. Expect at least one stud to come out with the nut, so it's a good idea to have a new set on hand. Six studs out of the eight came out on mine. Also a good idea to have an 8mm bottoming tap ready because if a stud does come out, the cylinder head thread will benefit from a cleanup before the new stud goes in. Glue it in with high-strength thread lock. Finally, have a 8mm die on hand too because any stud that behaves itself and stays in the block will need the stud thread cleaning up.


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DeRodster

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So far i loosened 5 of 8

More tomorrow


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23Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:26 pm

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If an exhaust stud comes out then take two other nuts and set them up as lock nuts on the other end and then put it in a vise to get the stuck nut off. Then you can re-use the stud.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

24Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:34 am

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duck wrote:If an exhaust stud comes out then take two other nuts and set them up as lock nuts on the other end and then put it in a vise to get the stuck nut off. Then you can re-use the stud.
In my limited but at times challenging experience, if the nut is so corroded onto the stud that they both come out together, it is worth replacing the stud. The nuts (and copper header gaskets) all need replacing anyway, so there is already a £/Euro burden on you. The studs cost half the price of the nuts (about £1.08 each).

After my first experience of removing the exhaust manifold where 5 of the 8 studs sheared off and the other 3 came out with their nuts on, I now keep a complete set of studs, nuts and copper gaskets (about £33 + P&P for the lot) on hand (as per Dai's recommendation). Where I have replaced with new, and copper slicked up on assembly, the next time that I have had to drop the exhaust manifold (a fairly infrequent activity), I have been rewarded with minimal hassle. In my humble opinion, reusing a stud that has already become corroded to its nut is a bad step in the direction of having a real removal saga (and possible drilling out of sheared studs) next time around. Is £1.08x8 worth the piece of mind? I think so, but each to their own and we all have different budgets that limit our ambitions and aspirations!

Good luck with getting the remaining 3 out...


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I've re-used studs with no issues.  And my bikes never seem to notice the difference.

And it's not the cost that's the issue, it's simply more convenient to re-use them.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

26Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:32 am

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re Studs,
 I'll get back to it later, but it seems I am taking the studs out.
As a matter of interest and if I can get the nut's off, when putting the studs back in
do I lock two nuts on and when she's in take em off or is there a tool for putting studs in

Rod


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1943 BSA WM20
1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
1969 Honda 50
    

27Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:03 am

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same technique putting them back in rod ...but with just a touch of loctight  on the end of the stud .....psst don't forget to run a tap through the head end ....and a tap  along the threads to clean them up before installing

hope that helps


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charlie99 wrote:and a tap  along the threads to clean them up before installing
That would be a good trick Charlie! Oh dear, no gears 44271


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29Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:03 am

DeRodster

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Now what do I do...the last three are stuck fast .
12mm socket aint doin it ... not enough room to grip 'em
is there a special socket I could get to grip 'em I wonder

all ideas welcome

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1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
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30Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:22 am

Dai

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My guess is that you're using a 1/2" drive socket? IIRC a deep socket won't go up there - you'll need a shallow socket with a short extension on it to clear the exhaust pipes. The other possibility is dropping back to a 3/8" drive. As for grip... I absolutely hate 12-point drives. You need a 6-point socket or a 6-point side-drive socket like these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12mm-6pt-Socket-3-8-Dr-pckd-Draper-38-Square-Drive-6-Point-Metric-16537-

You can see where the sides meet they are undercut to prevent the socket from driving the nut via its edges. Each side also has a shallow convex curve on it to grip the sides of the nuts. I think the claim is something like 60% more torque available from this type of socket.

The last suggestion is to use a hot air gun and leave it running until that area of the cylinder head is good and hot.

A better idea (but way too late for you; however it's worth mentioning for anyone else) is to spend a week or so dumping penetrating oil on the studs, then on the day you want to do the job go ride the bike until the engine is stinking hot. You'll need to grow a pair of asbestos hands before trying to detach the exhaust system. In the absence of asbestos hands, a pair of welding gloves will do.


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31Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:33 am

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Very interesting Dai,
 and no indeed a half inch drive is no good, so I bought myself a brand new set of Draper 3/8'' socket set
worked fine on the other 5 ... but the rest are slipping.

However I didn't know about the 6pt / 12pt socket differ, just never thought about it and I don't know which my new set is ... but I'll check,
  and if I need one I'll pop along to my local outlet and see what they have

As to heating , that's still a possibility , and of course I have been dousing them with penetrating oil for the last few days.

on the horizon, my local Land Rover repair expert is going to come over tomorrow evening with his magic set and we'll see then,
 unless I have success in the meantime

More anon
Rod


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1992 K1100LT 6455194
1943 BSA WM20
1979 Yamaha DT-175
1974 Triumph 3TA / 5TA
1974 Honda 100
1969 Honda 50
    

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Those nuts look very rusted It may be easier to just use a nut splitter if a hex socket wont move them.


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RicK G wrote:Those nuts look very rusted It may be easier to just use a nut splitter if a hex socket wont move them.
Do you have one that will get in there?  Where did you get it.  I need one like that.


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Born Again Eccentric

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This is what I bought to help remove those sort of pesky rusted on nuts.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRWIN-5-Piece-BASE-Damaged-Bolt-Grip-Nut-Remover-Set-10-16mm-Case-10504634-/390351175947?epid=4003304728&hash=item5ae2be410b:g:G-AAAOSwo8hTnxRJ

It effectively cuts into the nut and grips it tight as you unscrew - great for rounded off nuts and usually brings the stud out with it. Worth doing the penetrating oil soak while waiting for the postman though as you may find that the stud shears if it is a real bugger. You can get something similar for stud removal (as long as there is enough stud sticking out).

Good luck


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                              Paul  Oh dear, no gears 905546712

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"Gretel" K100LT 1989 (Silver Grey) (VIN 0177324 Engine No. 104EA 2789 2211) - 4th+ owner. September 2015 (58,500miles and counting....). Cat C Insurance write-off rebuild Feb 17
"Donor" K100LT 1990 (Red)  (VIN 0178091 Engine No. 4489 2024) - 6th & final owner (crash write-off now donor bike).   June 2012 (73,000 miles) to November 2013 (89,500 miles)
    

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DeRodster

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And so the Land Rover expert arrived with his toolkit and successfully, in a few minutes, removed the last three studs.
So now it's just a case of putting 8 studs and nuts on the wanted parts list

The saga continues over the weekend and hopefully that's the only holdup I'll encounter

More anon ;-)


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Get a set of these. Ive only needed mine once or twice, but they are mega handy to have.

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Oh to be sure I will Floyd
Only found they existed during the week. 
I have a set ordered from my local motor factor

So far today exhaust & center stand are off ...

Just organising wood block for under engine
Then up she goes ;-)

The saga continues

Oh dear, no gears 20170920
Oh dear, no gears 20170921


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38Back to top Go down   Oh dear, no gears Empty Re: Oh dear, no gears Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:40 am

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A useful addition to the toolbox ;-)

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You do realise that now you've bought them just-in-case, you'll never need to use them?


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Dai wrote:You do realise that now you've bought them just-in-case, you'll never need to use them?
Isn't that why we buy spare parts and special tools?


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1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
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1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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Point-Seven-five wrote:
Dai wrote:You do realise that now you've bought them just-in-case, you'll never need to use them?
Isn't that why we buy spare parts and special tools?
Never using them makes them last longer...as long as you don't lend them to someone....


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                              Paul  Oh dear, no gears 905546712

"Heidi" K100LT 1991 (Grey) (VIN 0190172 Engine No. 104EB 2590 2213) - 5th owner. January 2014 (34,000 - 61,000 miles and counting....)
"Gretel" K100LT 1989 (Silver Grey) (VIN 0177324 Engine No. 104EA 2789 2211) - 4th+ owner. September 2015 (58,500miles and counting....). Cat C Insurance write-off rebuild Feb 17
"Donor" K100LT 1990 (Red)  (VIN 0178091 Engine No. 4489 2024) - 6th & final owner (crash write-off now donor bike).   June 2012 (73,000 miles) to November 2013 (89,500 miles)
    

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Yes, indeedy, I haven't opened the pack....yet
Hopefully I won't have to for a while

on to another matter now

Para-Lever Rear Drive Removal

Any advice would be welcome
I think I am going to need a larger Allan key as the left side socket looks real BIG
and I'm not at all sure if there is loctite on the treads, and I guess I wont know until I loosen, or try loosen, them
I did see a piece about heating the bolts with a gas gun
so that's somefin else I better get !!!


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That's a 12mm key and can be a bit ornery, heat will help if it has loctite on it. Take care to catch all the rollers as they jump out and make a run for the dark recesses of the cave. They shouldn't fall out but they do and genuine is the only place to get them if needed. You can get bronze bushes to replace them from Rubber Chicken Racing in USA


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Thanks Rick
I'll try catch any escapees

Now off to fetch a 12mm key


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2 or 3 feet of pipe as a cheater bar also works quite well on loosening that 12mm pivot.


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I've no doubt it will help Duck ;-)


Oh dear, no gears Teng_110
I'll know soon enough if it does


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DeRodster wrote:I've no doubt it will help Duck ;-)


Oh dear, no gears Teng_110
I'll know soon enough if it does
 Hi Rod

I have this and the large socket if you want to borrow them, could maybe drop them to you over the weekend or something.


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DeRodster

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Thanks Simon, very kind of you to offer.
I have all the bits I need for now, but if I run into a problem I'll let you know

On the otherhand if you are passing this way while out for a spin always feel free to drop in for a cuppa ;-)

adios
Rod


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Point-Seven-five

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Born Again Eccentric wrote:
Point-Seven-five wrote:
Dai wrote:You do realise that now you've bought them just-in-case, you'll never need to use them?
Isn't that why we buy spare parts and special tools?
Never using them makes them last longer...as long as you don't lend them to someone....
Loaning tools is the next best thing to throwing them away.  I had a neighbor who borrowed tools and then promptly lost them.  There were a bunch of tools that I never got back for nearly 15 years until I found them for sale when he retired and had a garage sale before moving to Arizona.


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1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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Yep, that worked ;-)

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