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1Back to top Go down    Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:43 pm

JDiggamus

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Hello, I just got a 1984 BMW K100RS 4 days ago and I wanted to do some routine maintenance/service since the bike was sittingin a garage for nearly 10 years prior to me getting it. I started off with lubing the splines, however, when it came time to remove the swing arm for the final drive I couldn't. I removed all four bolts, 2 were pretty rusted the others were in decent shape. Based on the research I've done, most say you shouldbe able to wiggle and shake the final drive and swing arm loose in order to separate them. No such luck. It's sealed pretty tightly and looks to be seized. I sprayed some PB blaster in the bolt holes and on and around the seam a bunch, let it sit then blasted it again. I was able to get a little wiggle after that but barely any. I cant fit a screwdriver in the seem in orderto pry it open. I orderedsome Kroil to help cut through the rust, hopefully, that will do better than PB Blaster. I took a rubber mallet to it but didn't want to hit it too hard in fear of damaging the final drive.

Anyone experience this problem before? Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thanks!!

    

2Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:51 pm

duck

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Since you never know what prior owners have done it is possible that somebody put some sort of adhesive or sealant on that surface.

Banging the final drive with a rubber mallet won't hurt it.

Another thing to try would be putting the bolts back in part way and tapping them with a hammer (within reason) to back the final drive off.

If you have a knife that you don't care about then you might try tapping that into the seam once you get a little opening.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
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3Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:07 pm

charlie99

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could the po have run some sealant around the joint between the final drive and swing arm ?

don't forget here are 2 x locating dowels on the final drive that , if corroded could be adding some resistance to separation and movement

good luck


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4Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:24 pm

duck

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@charlie99 wrote:don't forget here are 2 x locating dowels on the final drive that , if corroded could be adding some resistance to separation and movement

good luck

Good point. The final drive needs to come straight back to come off since those dowels won't allow for twisting.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

5Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:42 pm

RicK G

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Yeah give it a darn good flogging with a rubber hammer and make sure to catch it before it hits the floor.


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Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

6Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:50 pm

Point-Seven-five

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I like Duck's suggestion to put the bolts back in and hammer on the heads. Just make sure to have them almost all the way in. A 1/16th inch of play is all you need. A hardwood block and a heavy hammer should do the trick.

It might be wise to use four disposable bolts to prevent damage to the good ones.


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1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS

Past:
1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

7Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:05 pm

Two Wheels Better

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Heat is yo friend.


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1987 K100RS, '89 K100 w/K1100RS engine, '93 Framed K11/K12 engine 'Big Block', '09 K1300GT, '07 K1200R, '95 R100 Mystic & '77 R75/7.

    

8Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:39 pm

Laitch

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If the final drive input shaft is seized to the driveshaft by corrosion, using wheel rotation snapped backward and forward several times to fracture the bond created by corrosion within the splines then pounding on the final drive with Thrash Metal vigor using a dead blow hammer might produce enough vibration to free it up.


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9Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:02 am

charlie99

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@Laitch wrote: then pounding on the final drive with Thrash Metal vigor using a dead blow hammer might produce enough vibration to free it up.


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'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
    

10Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:17 am

duck

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Before you remove the final drive it's a good idea to drain the gear oil from it. If you don't then you have to keep it upright to keep gear oil from leaking out of the breather hole at the top if you put it on its side.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

11Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:19 am

duck

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@Two Wheels Better wrote:Heat is yo friend.


Really? On a K bike? Do you have asbestos knees? Laughing


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

12Back to top Go down    Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:16 am

JDiggamus

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Thanks to all who have replied. All great suggestions, I will exhaust them all until I get the damn thing separated. Ill report back once I do to let you all know what did the trick.

    

13Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:39 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Dowels can seize as said and IMHO that's the most likely cause of the problem. Heat first, then you could slacken the bolts very slightly, do them back up almost hand tight and do a slow ride on it to see if it will crack what is likely to be corrosion between dowels and the aluminium. Knife in there definitely wont separate it.

Will watch this one as its on my list for my new 83 K100RS.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 58,645 now 90,575 miles
1983 K100RS 0011175 Fricka 29,000 miles Damn K Pox
    

14Back to top Go down    Problem Solved! on Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:07 pm

JDiggamus

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Hi all, sorry for the delay but I was able to fix the problem. I bought some "Kroil" and wiggled the swing arm and also whacked it with a rubber mallet until I was able to get some give and then I pouredsome kroilinto the creases. Rinsedand repeat.

Thanks for all your help!

Splines were in great shape btw


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15Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:12 pm

Dai

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Well, there's good news! Very Happy


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'83 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec
Others...
'78 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, '79 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,'93 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California,
'03 Suzuki Blandit GSF600SK3 (NFS any more because wifey has claimed it)
    

16Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:54 am

charlie99

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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
    

17Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:00 am

brickrider2

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"Splines were in great shape btw"


How many miles are on the clock?


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18Back to top Go down    Re: Final Drive and Swing arm are seized. on Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:43 am

Point-Seven-five

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Present:
1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS

Past:
1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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