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1Back to top Go down    K1100LT Exhaust System on Fri 08 Mar 2019, 16:15

brickrider2

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In a moment of stupidity I removed the exhaust system from my 1996 K1100LT.  I need some advice with refitting it. 
The left rear point of attachment is giving me grief.  While awaiting the arrival of the four downpipe gaskets, I forgot the proper assembly of this fastener and related parts.  I found that I couldn't draw up the pressed steel collar against the rubber grommet when the metal bush is captured within it.  I wrestled with it for ages trying to make it all go together as it appeared designed to do.  No luck.  I had another look at the diagram in the Haynes manual (p. 580) and found the metal bush is shown to be fitted on the starboard side of the pressed steel collar.  This makes no sense to me, but it is the only way I could snug up the fastener.  
Something is amiss, but I can't work out what.  Can someone provide some insight into this?

BTW, if it is not absolutely necessary, don't remove the exhaust system!  The Haynes manual skips over this task very quickly, and I've found that it's a real struggle to re-attach if you don't have a number of helpers and a lot of time to burn.


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2Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Fri 08 Mar 2019, 16:29

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If you're referring to the metal "cap" that goes over the rubber bushing on the right side, try taking it off, sliding it over the rubber bushing, mounting the exhaust and then tightening it on the bolt it attaches to. (To the best of my recollection. My K1100s all have aftermarket exhausts so I haven't messed with a stock exhaust recently.)


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

3Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Fri 08 Mar 2019, 19:36

brickrider2

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The bushing isn't rubber.  It's steel. The nomenclature of these bits and pieces varies so much it's really difficult to describe what's what.  Sadly, the exhaust mount itself is so difficult to access it's virtually impossible to snap a photo of it.  Let me give this another shot: The mounting bracket for the muffler or silencer has a large eye.  There is a rubber grommet that fits within.  On either side of the grommet is a pressed metal dish of sorts and the mounting bolt passes through this to hold the exhaust to the frame. The inside diameter of the rubber grommet is around 22 -24 mm and would seem to require the metal bushing inside the grommet to make everything snug and roadworthy.  

Another question now occurs to me.  If I have to pull the exhaust system off again to address the problem described above, will I then have to order new gaskets for the downpipes? They are crush washer designs and have now been crushed  Crying or Very sad  Another $15-20 and two weeks wait?


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4Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Fri 08 Mar 2019, 19:51

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Pics would help.

I've owned over 20 of these bikes and never replaced a single header crush washer.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

5Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Sat 09 Mar 2019, 01:05

chris846

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I bought a set of replacement crush washers in the past. This was a very long time ago and I did it so's they'd be on hand if reusing the original ones caused a leak. They are still in their little plastic bags. I see them every time I go rummaging in my parts box.

(I did suggest a thread just for confessing to reusing single-use parts - anonymised of course)


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6Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Sat 09 Mar 2019, 03:27

Dai

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Exhaust gaskets are definately not on my re-use list. The only exception to that is if I've done something stupid like reversed the exhaust pipes on a Guzzi (they're slightly different lengths). The engine won't have been started, so no bits of carbon where you don't want it.


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'83 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec
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'78 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, '79 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,'93 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California,
'03 Suzuki Blandit GSF600SK3 (NFS any more because wifey has claimed it)
    

7Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Sun 10 Mar 2019, 14:55

brickrider2

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I reluctantly pulled the exhaust system off again and had the chance to examine the grommet and related bits that mount on the left side of the K1100LT.  Once I had them all laid out to see it was obvious where the "bushing" should go on reassembly.  It turns out the "bushing" is actually a spacer that is located on the left side of the grommet.  The Haynes manual and the on-line illustrations are incorrect and, if followed, lead one to the confusion I experienced.   I didn't change out the downpipe gaskets even though they were crushed a couple of days ago and in a strict sense "used."  I am very hopeful there are no exhaust leaks when I fire that bike up again, because pulling and refitting the exhaust system is truly a PITA.


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8Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Mon 11 Mar 2019, 03:19

92KK 84WW Olaf

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The fitting sequence is very important as is new rubber.

These exhausts will break in time, a Remus is a very good alternative and seems to be a regular solution. Sell the original exhaust!


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 58,645 now 90,575 miles
1983 K100RS 0011175 Fricka 29,000 miles Damn K Pox
    

9Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Mon 11 Mar 2019, 10:05

brickrider2

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I did buy a new grommet and the bit BMW calls an "absorber" that mounts on the right.  That last piece is a bit of a puzzle.  I expected the old, original one was hard due to age.  However, the new one was is no different.  It doesn't seem to flex at all so I wonder what the reason is for such a complicated part. It seems as if any old bolt would do fine in that application. 
Sell the OEM exhaust?  I wonder where the market for that is?  I have an OEM silencer from a R100R that I've been "selling" for years!  lol
If I were to come across a Remus exhaust for my bike I'd certainly consider it.  But, being that it's from 1996, I doubt Remus is still producing one for this model today.  Question


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10Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Mon 11 Mar 2019, 10:11

duck

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The other aftermarket exhaust for K1100s is Staintune.

Up until recently Remus was still selling a K1100 exhaust but I just checked their website and it doesn't look like they are anymore.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

11Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Mon 11 Mar 2019, 15:30

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Motorworks have them for sale.

I got mine about 15 months ago, fully system brand new in the box [well, it comes in 2 boxes] and a very easy fit. Lovely sound off them.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 58,645 now 90,575 miles
1983 K100RS 0011175 Fricka 29,000 miles Damn K Pox
    

12Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Mon 11 Mar 2019, 17:48

Point-Seven-five

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I had a Remus exhaust for my 16V K100RS that I sold because it was embarrassingly loud when riding in town.  I replaced it with a stock system off an earlier 8V K100.  It took an hour of fiddling with the header pipes and the mount to get it installed, but it worked well and was nice and quiet.  The bike ran great with it, and a bonus was that it got me an extra mile or two per gallon.

If the exhaust cracks on my new K100RS16V that is the way I'll go again to repair it.


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Present:
1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS

Past:
1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

13Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Mon 11 Mar 2019, 19:28

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I forget how they name them but the Remus comes in two volume levels.  I have one on my 94 RS that's only very slightly louder than a stock exhaust.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

14Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Tue 12 Mar 2019, 02:49

92KK 84WW Olaf

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I found the stock exhaust dangerous in town bike too quiet in terms of pedestrians stepping out. Remus put an end to that but not offensively.

Plus side too, over extended time I reckon its worth about 5-10% on fuel. I use simple math, if I better 10 miles per litre. 12-13 miles per litre would be my normal on rural roads.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 58,645 now 90,575 miles
1983 K100RS 0011175 Fricka 29,000 miles Damn K Pox
    

15Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Tue 12 Mar 2019, 03:25

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There was a post years ago on a US police fix on their bikes to solve cracking exhausts on early K100's. It involved clamping a large hose clip around the four header pipes. The hose clip apparently changed the resonant frequency that was causing the cracking, it might work on the 16v bricks as well. For the price of a large hose clip it might be worth a go.
Regards Martin.


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16Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Tue 12 Mar 2019, 06:17

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Don't know if it really matters but it doesn't hurt to check the torque on the header flange nuts every time you do an oil change.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

17Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Tue 12 Mar 2019, 08:01

92KK 84WW Olaf

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@MartinW wrote:There was a post years ago on a US police fix on their bikes to solve cracking exhausts on early K100's. It involved clamping a large hose clip around the four header pipes. The hose clip apparently changed the resonant frequency that was causing the cracking, it might work on the 16v bricks as well. For the price of a large hose clip it might be worth a go.
Regards Martin.

That advice still holds. Resonance is the bug bear in stainless steel exhausts of all kinds due to the properties of stainless steel.

But the problem now is buying one like I did, at 58,000 miles its at the time its going to split and it did it very quickly. I now know one of the headers was already off when I bought it but I bought the bike as it was and happy with the condition.

If you have a low miles one [K100 4v or K1100] then either to the hose clip or weld in some pieces.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 58,645 now 90,575 miles
1983 K100RS 0011175 Fricka 29,000 miles Damn K Pox
    

18Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Tue 12 Mar 2019, 10:02

brickrider2

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I suppose the location of the clamp could be important in damping vibrations.  I placed one at the spot where the down pipes are nearest together.  Would that help?


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19Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Tue 12 Mar 2019, 10:59

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@brickrider2 wrote:I suppose the location of the clamp could be important in damping vibrations.  I placed one at the spot where the down pipes are nearest together.  Would that help?
The original post to which Martin might be referring contains an image of where the clamp was attached. It would seem to me that UK—rather than US—police motos were involved with this modification because in the US those clamps are called hose clamps rather than jubilee clamps. Smile

Anyway, here's a link to the likely post and image.


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20Back to top Go down    Re: K1100LT Exhaust System on Tue 12 Mar 2019, 11:55

brickrider2

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I'll move my clamp forward a bit, as it currently is closer to the point where the pipes enter the silencer. Thanks for link to that photo. 
For the record, my bike shows 24K on the clock; I hope the exhaust system remains intact for the duration of my riding years....  Wink
BTW, I've not be able to include a photo of mine, though I tried to post one.  I've no clue why nothing happens when I use the icon above for that purpose.


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