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GerdTIR

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In the German Flyingbrick Forum the user Höchst has considered a conversion of the H4 headlight to a Trucklite LED headlight.

The LED headlight is integrated into the reflector of the existing headlight and a frame cover replaces the H4 headlight glass.

A collective order is currently being placed for the frame to keep production costs as low as possible.

If you are interested you should have a look here.

https://www.flyingbrick.de/index.php?thread/46621-anfrage-scheinwerfermaske-zum-einbau-eines-bi-led-scheinwerfers-in-die-rt-lt-rs/&postID=1031520#post1031520



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Dai

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That's a bit cheaper than the twin headlight conversion I did.


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Upgrade main headlight to LED K 75/100/1100 RT / LT / RS Modell 112350


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ########   "Red"  - (red sports rs TWB style )
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duck

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FYI: A recent purchaser of a K75C stopped by my place this summer.  In his headlight he installed a Cyclops 10.0 H4 LED Headlight Bulb. It worked quite well in the round K headlight.


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K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
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GerdTIR

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Hy duck

Such a bulb is not permitted in Germany. The police can stop the motorcycle at a traffic check.

This conversion is made in such a way that it is also approved by the German TÜV. With it there are no problems with traffic controls.


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MartinW

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I don't know if this conversion would be legal in countries with righthand drive. The lenses between right hand and left hand drive are different. 
Regards Martin.


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GerdTIR

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Thats right, but in Germany and some other countrys we have lefthand drive. In this countrys the headlight is legal.


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Woodie

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"Such a bulb is not permitted in Germany."


The Cyclops H4 bulb unit plugs straight into the standard K lens and reflector.  Would this still be illegal?  It is a different source of light - not a different light altogether.


Probably illegal here in Canada as well but I don't think our various forms of traffic enforcement concern themselves with headlights (yet).


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duck

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I think for some places the focus on headlights originated with people doing HID conversions without modifying the reflector and/or lens which resulted in lots of scattered (and dangerous) really bright light.  Friends in California tell me that the CHP was checking headlights due to that.

Many states (like mine) have no vehicle inspection requirement.



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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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MartinW wrote:I don't know if this conversion would be legal in countries with righthand drive. The lenses between right hand and left hand drive are different. 
Regards Martin.
True. The low/dipped beam diverts a bit left in right hand drive vehicles and right in left hand drive. Done by mini lenses in the glass in the old days. 
I did a headlight conversion for a friend in Germany a few years ago. It was a British TVR sports car, right hand drive. No problem registering it in Germany, but not until the headlight swap was done. 
Trivial task - unscrew headlight holder, remove, screw new one in. 
As far as I know, it went to the US with him and is still in use there.

Bill


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GerdTIR

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Woodie wrote:"Such a bulb is not permitted in Germany."


The Cyclops H4 bulb unit plugs straight into the standard K lens and reflector.  Would this still be illegal?  It is a different source of light - not a different light altogether.


Probably illegal here in Canada as well but I don't think our various forms of traffic enforcement concern themselves with headlights (yet).

Hello,

the reflector unit of the H4 luminaire is designed for the two focal points of the H4 lamp. For this reason, this LED lamp is not permitted in Germany.

According to German law, the use of this bulb loses the operating permit to use the vehicle in public transport.

I know some people who use the LED bulb anyway, because there was no legal possibility to convert to a LED light.

The system which was manufactured in the flyingbrick forum is also registrable and is developed in coordination with TÜV experts.


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Woodie

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This from the Cyclops website and from the H4 page: "This Cyclops technology is TUV and E13 certified."


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1990 K75RT 6018570 (project)

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MartinW

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I just did a bit of research on a RACQ site and found this. I have however been running a 6" LED bar light under my headlight as a daytime running light for the last 2 years with no problems.

LED headlights


A small but increasing number of new vehicles are appearing with Light Emitting Diode headlights as original equipment. Their claimed benefits include reduced power consumption that translates into fuel savings and emission reductions.

However, there are also aftermarket LED conversions. We are not aware of any of these having been tested and certified as meeting Australian legal requirements. Without this certification they are not acceptable for on-road use.

We understand that some Queensland drivers have already been fined for using these unapproved conversions
Regards Martin..


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MartinW

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From Queensland ADR's. It is however virtually impossible to get a ADR approved head light to fit Bricks with the rectangular headlight without significant  modifications. However driving lights don't appear to be a problem as long as they conform to ADR's.

Headlights



  • All motorcycles must have at least 1 headlight and can have up to 4 additional headlights.

  • A motorcycle can also have a headlight modulation system, which is designed to vary the brightness of the headlight at a rate of 200 to 280 flashes a minute when used in daylight conditions.

  • A headlight fitted to motorcycles manufactured after 1 October 1991 must be ADR 19 compliant.

  • Retro-fitting High Intensity Gas-Discharge (HID) or Light Emitting Diode (LED) headlight bulbs to vehicles not originally offered with the technology generally do not comply with the ADRs because the design of the headlamp reflector is incompatible with the bulb (the light is not focused correctly).

  • Entire headlight assemblies (bulb, lens, and housing) can be updated to HID or LED provided the new headlight assembly complies with relevant ADRs.


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duck

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Part of it is regulatory bodies catching up with technology.  Initial H4 LEDs were pretty crappy but especially in the last couple of years the better manufacturers have been coming out with H4s that work well with a factory halogen reflector/lens..


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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Woodie

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duck, any chance yo can pop over to Kent, WA and sort this out in person?   Very Happy


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Upgrade main headlight to LED K 75/100/1100 RT / LT / RS Modell Logo2111
1985 K100RT  52667
1990 K75RT 6018570 (project)

"Keep your stick on the ice.  We're all in this together."  Red Green
    

duck

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Woodie wrote:duck, any chance yo can pop over to Kent, WA and sort this out in person?   Very Happy

I'd rather go sort it out in Germany where I could take my K1600GT on the Autobahn. Very Happy


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

MartinW

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I did find a DOT SAE LED headlight on Ebay. Mountings would be different but probably installable with a bit or a lot of modifications.https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2Pcs-5X7-Inch-7x6-LED-Headlight-Sealed-Beam-Headlamp-w-DRL-for-Jeep-Cherokee-XJ/143292663220?_
Regards Martin.


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Dai

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HIDs are illegal on motorcycles in the UK, period. Some idiot drafted the law on the use of HIDs to include mandatory fitment of headlight wipers.


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BobT

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LED headlight bulbs in a reflector are illegal for a reason, the LED can never give the light in exactly the same position as the halogen filament. 
No car or bike manufacturer fits an LED bulb into a headlight designed for a halogen bulb. It is not a case of catching up with the times.
Don't get me wrong, I love LEDs but in the correct places.

    

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I tried LED bulbs in the K, useless for the above reasons.

Fit a relay, maybe get a brand new old stock reflector, clean the inside of the glass and use a good H4 bulb.

I did try a 160W H4 and its totally amazing.....


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MartinW

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Cure to bad lighting, fit a relay then one or two LED driving lights. They're cheap as chips these days.
Regards Martin.


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Dai

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Or spend a shedload of money and make a twin headlamp conversion Upgrade main headlight to LED K 75/100/1100 RT / LT / RS Modell 44271 Upgrade main headlight to LED K 75/100/1100 RT / LT / RS Modell 44271


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