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sidecar paul

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A couple of weeks ago, a K friend told me about raising the fuel cap to increase the tank capacity. He had seen the idea on an American forum.

I couldn't find any details and I can't find any reference to the idea on our site, so I looked at the fuel cap and came up with this scheme.

The alloy ring to which the cap fixes in the petrol tank is about 13mm thick. The fuel cap seal is about 7mm below this ring, so I figured that if I lifted the cap 8mm, I would be able to get a useful amount of extra petrol in the tank.



An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Ssl10824

My 'lifting' ring is 116mm OD x 91mm ID x 8mm thick and I used a thick gasket between the ring and cap. The standard cap seal remains in place below the new ring.
Four new 20mm long M4 countersunk screws are needed.

An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Ssl10825

Before fitting the ring, I had filled the petrol tank about 5 miles from home.
Assuming about 1/2 litre had been used in that 5 miles and I was able to get just under 2 litres in my 'new' tank, I can now get something like an extra 1.5 litres of fuel on board. (That's at least another £2 worth in the UK)

There is still quite a volume of expansion space remaining in the tank in case that sort of thing worries you.

Now it could mean a shorter walk if I run out of petrol..........or a longer walk because I went past the last filling station. Exclamation Embarassed

Paul.


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'84 K100RS (0014643) (owned since '85), 86 K100RS (0018891) with Martello sidecar (built as an outfit in '88),
'51 Vincent (since '67),'72 Montesa Cota (from new), '87 Honda RS125R NF4 (bought 2015) 
....No CARS never ever!
    

Crazy Frog

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Nice one Paul.

The American forum where this idea of raising the gas cap comes from is the IBMWR.ORG
Your modification has a double advantage.
First it increases the capacity of the tank, but the best one, it gets rid of the recessed filler.
When it's raining, the water always sits around the filler neck and goes into the tank as soon as you open the cap. With your solution, the water has very little chance to enter the tank and furthermore to create inside corrosion. (This is the reason why a lot of K100 aluminum tanks are leaking on the front right).
The only think having to be check is the overfill pipe inside the tank. You don't want the extra 1.5 liters to drip on the road. (2 pipes and hoses under the tank)
CF


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An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Frog15An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Logo2101986 k75, 1985 K100rt, 1985 K100rt/EML GT2 sidecar, 1999 K1200lt/Hannigan Astro Sport sidecar.
    

BIG D

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Cool

Top job Paul, you are a man of many talents, as CF said it also removes the water trap well worth copying is that one.



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twincarb

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Did you machine it yourself or did you manage to find one off the shelf? May have to phone the local metal dealer and see how much he will charge so i can make one up myself...

    

Two Wheels Better

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A respected 'local member' of our forum has been making the fuel cap ring raising device for some time. His design uses two fuel-safe O-rings for which there are grooves machined into the aluminium. It will soon be fitted to my bike as well.

I smell another long Down Under roadtrip coming up. Here's to further range!
An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. 502531


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The Mystic, Big Block, 2nd K1200RS, K12R & K13 are running & ridable.
    

Crazy Frog

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Guest in the House wrote:A respected 'local member' of our forum has been making the fuel cap ring raising device for some time.

Let me guess...
Would that be Bert 2.0?


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An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Frog15An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Logo2101986 k75, 1985 K100rt, 1985 K100rt/EML GT2 sidecar, 1999 K1200lt/Hannigan Astro Sport sidecar.
    

Two Wheels Better

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Crazy Frog wrote:
Guest in the House wrote:A respected 'local member' of our forum has been making the fuel cap ring raising device for some time.

Let me guess...
Would that be Bert 2.0?

Nuh, I have to keep him anonymous lest he be swamped for orders. He'd likely freak if the members asked him to make them one too. Wink


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT. Projects: 1993 & '96 K1100RS, & 1st '98 K1200RS.
The Mystic, Big Block, 2nd K1200RS, K12R & K13 are running & ridable.
    

sidecar paul

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I'd be interested to know how high he lifts the cap GITH.
Paul.


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'84 K100RS (0014643) (owned since '85), 86 K100RS (0018891) with Martello sidecar (built as an outfit in '88),
'51 Vincent (since '67),'72 Montesa Cota (from new), '87 Honda RS125R NF4 (bought 2015) 
....No CARS never ever!
    

Two Wheels Better

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sidecar paul wrote:I'd be interested to know how high he lifts the cap GITH.
Paul.

It sits just slightly higher than the cap does in your image, Paul. I'd say it's about a litre improvement, perhaps a tad more. As I am preparing my bike for a roadtrip I will post a photo of it once I source the two O-rings, possibly later today.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT. Projects: 1993 & '96 K1100RS, & 1st '98 K1200RS.
The Mystic, Big Block, 2nd K1200RS, K12R & K13 are running & ridable.
    

Rick G

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It lifts the cap 10mm and I use 3mm O rings. I only fill if I intend to use the fuel up straight away as it will drip out the overflow if left on the side stand. I dont put the hole for the drain as it isnt needed any more.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1999 K1100 LT with a Big Block 1200
    

sidecar paul

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Thanks Rick,

Paul.


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'84 K100RS (0014643) (owned since '85), 86 K100RS (0018891) with Martello sidecar (built as an outfit in '88),
'51 Vincent (since '67),'72 Montesa Cota (from new), '87 Honda RS125R NF4 (bought 2015) 
....No CARS never ever!
    

sidecar paul

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With my newly painted tank (which I haven't fitted yet) I re-visited this idea to do a white petrol cap.

Being white it would show up the odd joint betwixt the ring and cap, so I've made a ring to fit the taper of the cap edge.


An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Sam_0610

This was then screwed to the cap with 3...4BA (well BA is a metric based thread) screws all set in JB weld epoxy.
An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Sam_0611

A coat of paint then covers all the irregularities.

An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Sam_0716

And when fitted to the tank it makes a neater fitting (well I think so!)

 An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Sam_0717

A friend of mine once said "You should get out more", then he thought about it and commented "But you do!"

Keep riding and playing,
Paul.


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'84 K100RS (0014643) (owned since '85), 86 K100RS (0018891) with Martello sidecar (built as an outfit in '88),
'51 Vincent (since '67),'72 Montesa Cota (from new), '87 Honda RS125R NF4 (bought 2015) 
....No CARS never ever!
    

Rick G

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That is basicly what I make and use O rings top and bottom to seal it and dont have a hole for the drain as it isn't really needed.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1999 K1100 LT with a Big Block 1200
    

charlie99

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great job paul


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bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
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1989 K100rt #009637   "Black Betty"  (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
    

AJ.Valente

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How BMW gets away calling these "touring" bikes (even putting the moniker on the saddle bags) with just a five gallon tank is beyond me. Question

    

k-rider

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how is there room for expansion ,? and how do you stop the fuel from flowing out the overfill tube?

    

sidecar paul

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k-rider,
There's still a fair volume of air in the top of the tank when full.
 
If you remove the cap you will see that the lower edge of the cap mounting ring fixed to the tank is a good 20mm below the top of the tank. All we are doing is lifting the petrol cap so that we can fill the tank to this edge. (The cap seal is about 10mm below this edge as standard.)

Paul.


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'84 K100RS (0014643) (owned since '85), 86 K100RS (0018891) with Martello sidecar (built as an outfit in '88),
'51 Vincent (since '67),'72 Montesa Cota (from new), '87 Honda RS125R NF4 (bought 2015) 
....No CARS never ever!
    

k-rider

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ohh, i see, strangely enough i can only fill the tank to 20mm under the fillercap hole , before it runs out of the overfill tube, is that normal or
is it possible to bent some pipes inside the tank? 
sidecar paul wrote:k-rider,
There's still a fair volume of air in the top of the tank when full.
 
If you remove the cap you will see that the lower edge of the cap mounting ring fixed to the tank is a good 20mm below the top of the tank. All we are doing is lifting the petrol cap so that we can fill the tank to this edge. (The cap seal is about 10mm below this edge as standard.)

Paul.

    

sidecar paul

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Hi k-rider,
That sounds like the breather/overflow pipe may be split or broken away from it's fitting in the top of the tank.
Here's a picture of the pipe which is solidly fixed to something (I couldn't find a small mirror to have a proper look) just in front of the filler cap hole.


 An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Sam_0720

Paul.


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'84 K100RS (0014643) (owned since '85), 86 K100RS (0018891) with Martello sidecar (built as an outfit in '88),
'51 Vincent (since '67),'72 Montesa Cota (from new), '87 Honda RS125R NF4 (bought 2015) 
....No CARS never ever!
    

Rick G

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I lifted mine 11mm and it will dribble but only on the side stand. I usually dont fill it to the limit unless I want the extra and if I am going to be riding off right away.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1999 K1100 LT with a Big Block 1200
    

AL-58

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RicK G wrote:I lifted mine 11mm and it will dribble but only on the side stand. I usually dont fill it to the limit unless I want the extra and if I am going to be riding off right away.
Easy way to fix that Rick is to fit a sidecar and remove the stand completely.

I should look at lifting the fuel cap myself.  More range is always good.

Al


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An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. K-dogs10
    

k-rider

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hi paul
thanks for the nice pic, i will have to check it out this weekend, cant remember what mine looks like
sidecar paul wrote:Hi k-rider,
That sounds like the breather/overflow pipe may be split or broken away from it's fitting in the top of the tank.
Here's a picture of the pipe which is solidly fixed to something (I couldn't find a small mirror to have a proper look) just in front of the filler cap hole.


 An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. Sam_0720

Paul.

    

xpc316e

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I have just ordered a piece of aluminium plate from the bay of evil, and will spend a happy afternoon chain drilling to create a lifting ring.  I must say that the potential increase in range is not my principle aim; after the wettest winter since records began, all I want to do is prevent water from draining into the tank when I open the filler cap.


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VIN 0191428, 1991 K100LT, formerly owned by Lancashire Constabulary. This old warhorse is now 'out to grass' and living in retirement in Suffolk, where it will be showered with appropriate love and care.

VIN 6459609, 1992 K1100LT, another ex-Police machine, even though she now looks like she is a former fire engine.
    

rosskko

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Is your cap on backwards?

Should lift from the front of the bike and hinge at the back.
There is a drain hole on the left that should drain most if not all the water.
Check the top seal.


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xpc316e

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The cap is facing the correct way, but I shall check the drain hole - thanks Rossko.


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VIN 0191428, 1991 K100LT, formerly owned by Lancashire Constabulary. This old warhorse is now 'out to grass' and living in retirement in Suffolk, where it will be showered with appropriate love and care.

VIN 6459609, 1992 K1100LT, another ex-Police machine, even though she now looks like she is a former fire engine.
    

Inge K.

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Often the gasket happen to be wrong mounted (easily done when you're in a hurry)
.....when changing the fuel filter.


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Rick G

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I have made quite a few and use O-rings top and bottom and do away with the OEM gasket. The top O-ring is the same as the oil filter cover and the bottom is about 122mm OD.  Sometimes if the tank has had a few coats of paint it needs to be carved away.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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xpc316e

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I made my lifting ring this morning by chain drilling 5mm holes through a 10mm slab of aluminium that I bought from eBay.  I paid £17.50 for the metal, but there will be enough for two rings.  It will make me happy to be able to not let the K100LT get all jealous of the 1100 with its lifting ring.

The ring has had a coat of etch primer ready for some black paint tomorrow.  I cut a nice, thick gasket from some gasket paper, and the new 4mm countersunk stainless steel Allen screws are on their way.  The tank is already off the bike because of all the other work I am doing, so tomorrow I will drain it completely to remove any water that got into the tank.

Thanks to those of you who poineered this modification.


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VIN 0191428, 1991 K100LT, formerly owned by Lancashire Constabulary. This old warhorse is now 'out to grass' and living in retirement in Suffolk, where it will be showered with appropriate love and care.

VIN 6459609, 1992 K1100LT, another ex-Police machine, even though she now looks like she is a former fire engine.
    

sidecar paul

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Chain drilling.......that's dedication, xpc.    I suppose someone else was using your lathe.  An extra 1.5 litres in tank capacity. 652573 

Well done,
Paul.


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'84 K100RS (0014643) (owned since '85), 86 K100RS (0018891) with Martello sidecar (built as an outfit in '88),
'51 Vincent (since '67),'72 Montesa Cota (from new), '87 Honda RS125R NF4 (bought 2015) 
....No CARS never ever!
    

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aye ! indeed paul
awesome effort


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ########   "Red"  - (red sports rs TWB style )
1989 K100rt #009637   "Black Betty"  (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
    

xpc316e

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Sidecar Paul, I wish that I did have a lathe.  It is on the list of things I would buy, if money were no object, but in its absence I have to resort to chain drilling.  Yes, it is laborious, and the part needs careful finishing with a file, but it is done.  I will have made two lifting rings, and still have change from £20; that kind of satisfaction drives me on as I stand next to the pillar drill, ankle deep in swarf, for hour after hour. Laughing


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VIN 0191428, 1991 K100LT, formerly owned by Lancashire Constabulary. This old warhorse is now 'out to grass' and living in retirement in Suffolk, where it will be showered with appropriate love and care.

VIN 6459609, 1992 K1100LT, another ex-Police machine, even though she now looks like she is a former fire engine.
    

brickrider

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Excuse my ignorance.  What is chain drilling?

    

Rick G

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Drilling holes close together so as to have a cut, in this case a hole that is far bigger than any drill he has will go.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1999 K1100 LT with a Big Block 1200
    

xpc316e

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Brickrider, I marked out an 86mm circle on some 10mm thick aluminum, and then another concentric 121mm circle.  I then centre-punched some marks for the drill to start on along these scribed circles, and then started drilling many, many 5mm holes very close together.  When that part was completed, I just joined one hole to the next with a hacksaw.  One ends with a vary roughly finished part that then needs to be finished by filing smooth, but at least you do not have to be a lathe owner, or go to a local engineering company with an open wallet.


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VIN 0191428, 1991 K100LT, formerly owned by Lancashire Constabulary. This old warhorse is now 'out to grass' and living in retirement in Suffolk, where it will be showered with appropriate love and care.

VIN 6459609, 1992 K1100LT, another ex-Police machine, even though she now looks like she is a former fire engine.
    

brickrider

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I admire you patience! I'm not sure I need the extra volume in my tank however, knowing water is unlikely to enter the tank when the cap is opened would be a nice thing! I'll go out on a limb here and openly wonder if BMW's design of the cap didn't fall short of the mark.
After this mod, the cap sits notably proud of the tank, correct? Does this cause any issues with using a tank bag?

    

Rick G

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I have one on my K1100 without problems for the tank bag.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1999 K1100 LT with a Big Block 1200
    

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