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1Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:20 am

Ed

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thought I'd throw this one at the forum , of course where else does one go with a K issue.
had a problem with kicking over this morning. went like this 
turned the key , all lights up and strong , still are , not the battery as far as I know.
fuel in tank , about 1/8- 1/4  level, never been an issue before,
starter has strong response but just won't kick .
becomes sluggish with repetitive attempts, possibly due to overload of fuel with EFI.
still maintains battery power, not sluggish 
tapped the starter to see if it was starter brush issue , no response yet , still think this is where the problem lies.
any further places I should be looking ? thanks for any thoughts .  not yet desperate , but getting there.



Last edited by groverK on Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:28 am; edited 1 time in total


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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2Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:34 am

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Get the battery load tested, most battery places will do it just in case they can sell you a new one.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

3Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:49 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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A thought, check the electrical connection for the fuel pump, including where it goes into the fuel tank. I had that as an issue and everything else was working.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 33,600 miles
    

4Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:58 am

Ed

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just pulled the starter out , might swap it for the one in the RT, as it has newer brushes.
Rick I was contemplating renewing the battery anyway , it has age against it .but it is not sluggish ?
Olaf where do I find the fuel connection when looking in that direction?


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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5Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:32 am

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Houston we have ignition , 
the RT starter was an easy swap, 
no issues with ABS modules being in the way. all lines are routed along the frame.
so the battery slips in and out fairly easily, as with all or most K's.
Starter comes out once you remove the 2 allen screws , fortunately both bikes were easy to remove these screws,given their age
the seals still look in good nick on both .
slight surface corrosion on the RT, due to sitting for the past 4 1/2 years.
Rick I'll still purchase a new battery this month, as the current one has age on it. when they go it's usually more dangerous on the highway ,amongst the traffic.
nothing worse than stalling in front of a truck , following close behind you.
Rick and Olaf , thanks for your speedy assistance , I'm hoping it was just the starter, I'll keep a vigil on it over the next couple of days.
glad it didn't play up during the last few weeks.
still amazed at how easy these old K's are to work on , I like them.
Ed.


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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6Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:50 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Hi Ed,

No harm in doing the starter, as you found its very easy to get at despite the location apart from the temptation to do more while you are in there.

I opened mine up and cleaned it out etc, just check the brushes but new ones, if needed, are cheap.

My RT has a plug connection up in the underside of the fuel tank, on the left near the front where the black petrol line drops down to the injector rail. Have to remove the fairing storage box to get at it.....Anyway I had the tank off two weeks earlier and had noticed it plugged back in without much of a click or mechanical resistance. About 2 weeks later it cut out, would turn over, everything else working. Somehow twigged 'cant hear fuel pump, maybe its that connection', took off the storage box, and pulled off the connector. It connects to 4 pins projecting out of a connection point on the tank. I just squeezed each of them up ever so slightly and this time it needed a firm push to engage. All fine since. I imagine this is a common enough problem as they open up a bit with use due to the tank having to be taken off for service.

On my LT the wires come out on the right hand side at the rear of the tank.......completely different.

I believe if the battery is down it may also cause the same thing to happen.

Olaf


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 33,600 miles
    

7Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:26 am

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still not 100% sure it is the starter, investigations still being carried out.
is this the pump connection in question ?

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Charlie mentioned on our trip home from Tottenham , that my air /fuel mix was rich , would this be a contributing factor at all ?


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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8Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:50 am

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ed just a suggestion to unplug the under seat computer connector .....clean it up with maybe a brass brush on the pins (800 wet and dry or something )  both sides and plug it back in after a clean up with some electrical cleaner ...metho ...anything ...then treat it with deoxit
this controls the injectors
there is a hole in the tool tray  that has the clip  to release the connector .

yes that is the tank connector that is a pain sometimes .....you may need to crimp slightly the sockets  so they make a positive connection ....deoxit here too mate .

just the first things that come to mind

just as a test whilst your there ( in the injection control computer)  ed ...measure the socket on pin 10 (temperature sensor input ) with the red lead  and black lead to the frame ( multi meter setting on 10 or 20 k )  and note the current temperature when you do it .



Last edited by charlie99 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:28 pm; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : just thought of something)


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9Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:39 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Ed

That is indeed the pump connection, yours is same as my LT, right hand rear.

Very carefully with a precision screwdriver you can probe the X on the end of the pins inside the block in your hand so they increase very slightly in diameter and give a tighter connection to the other part of the connector hanging free. At the same time clean around them with some fine wet and dry sand paper but use it dry, you should be able to get them all nice and shiny. You can also slightly squeeze up the opposite socket in the block under the tank but be careful as a slip here can damage finger [ouch] or bugger the plastic plug [probably more of a frustration than the finger]. The end result should be a good mechanical interference fit with good electrical connection.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 33,600 miles
    

10Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:59 pm

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thanks everyone , still at it this morning , will cross all digits, and hope for the best outcome.
stay tuned!


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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11Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:44 pm

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Check the charging volts at around 3000rpm if they are a touch high it could have cooked the battery on the long trip. This is very much a precaution and I wouldn't expect to find an over charge but it is worth checking.
14.2 volts is optimum and anything over 14.4 can cause problems or under 13.7 will cause a chronic under charge situation which will also slowly destroy a battery.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

12Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:57 am

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ta Rick , my next session of idiot questions over the weekend will relate to the proper use of a multi meter, never used one before , so am keen as mustard to learn , even if it be the hard way.
I did find an editorial a while back in Classic Bikes mag, relating to using one , but may need some helpful clarification.
As mentioned a while back , my mechanical knowledge is very limited, but will have a go at anything.
so wish me luck , and excuse my daftness, as I learn.
Ed .


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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13Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:44 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Ed

At the risk of repeating what has been said elsewhere, be very careful with the meter.

I am not totally up to date with them but what I do know is don't use one on the bike without good advice. Any self powered meters [with a battery in them] can spike and destroy some of the [expensive] electrics.

There are posts here about it but others [Rick] with more knowledge than I have will point you right.

Cleaning connections, opening them one at a time and proceeding in a logical manner is generally ok as long as you disconnect the battery, [preferably the night before so any residual power and also fuel pressure is dissipated]. Doing them one at a time means you are ok without the wiring diagrams too, or can avoid constantly referring back to one. Less room for error and ideal if knowledge is on a learning curve. This also gives you opportunity to check all the wiring and can be done in a warm workshop and mug of steaming tea cool beer alongside.

The ideal of course is that all is working fine before you start. With what you have its good to look at what might be the more obvious ones.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 33,600 miles
    

14Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:05 am

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Somebody I think K Bike did a bit about using a multimeter but us usual I cant find it. Sometimes I think I couldnt find my arse with both hands. Have a search and it's there somewhere and it is good info.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

15Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:30 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Also pay good attention to the earth connections to the frame. Because they have to be metal to metal contact they are at risk from corrosion due to age etc and cause plenty of problems. Open up each one and sand them back to shiny metal with a fine emery [those sandpaper things women use for filing nails work well] or a wet and dry paper used dry. Then coat with water repellent when you put it back.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 33,600 miles
    

16Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:06 pm

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@RicK G wrote:Somebody I think K Bike did a bit about using a multimeter but us usual I cant find it. Sometimes I think I couldnt find my arse with both hands. Have a search and it's there somewhere and it is good info.

http://www.k100-forum.com/t725-using-a-test-meter-volts-amps-and-ohms


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17Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:45 pm

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Thank You Inge, don't know why I couldnt find that, mind I cant find anything in my shed.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

18Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:02 am

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thanyou inge , a very simplistic explanation, good write up Kbike, I like the method of explaining , very creative.
I tend to apply this technique to a lot of my own day to day operations .

will definitely be looking at a few things over the weekend , 
I went to do a plug change prior to Totts , the plugs actually looked in good nick so I didn't bother .
but may as well do it now as a backup.
other places I'll be looking will be the Fuel pump , the AFM ( charlie could it be stuck open and causing  flooding), connection plugs and other sources of power to the pump.
I'll be filling you in as much as possible during the weekend , Gotta get the K back on the road .
expecting it to be something simple, well I hope it is.
Ed.


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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19Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:19 am

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how did it go ed ?

or is tomorrow the exploration into things starterish and running ?


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%Oproblem starting Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

20Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:25 am

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Today /tomorrow is the check day , just reading through other postings such as  http://www.k100-forum.com/t6768-wont-start
trying to inform myself a bit , as mentioned the fuel system and spark will be the areas first to check , then investigate further.
been at work today , plus daughters B'day and continuing house reno stuff . so 'busy as' at the moment , thanks for checking up, all help is much appreciated.

mine is characterised much the same only ( if I remember correctly)you don't hear the pump engage when depressing the start button , which I normally would.
Traceys 800 boulevard is injected also , and pump engages on starter button activation.flick the toggle and depress the button .


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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21Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:46 am

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92KK K100LT 193214 wrote:Ed

At the risk of repeating what has been said elsewhere, be very careful with the meter.

I am not totally up to date with them but what I do know is don't use one on the bike without good advice. Any self powered meters [with a battery in them] can spike and destroy some of the [expensive] electrics.

There are posts here about it but others [Rick] with more knowledge than I have will point you right.

Cleaning connections, opening them one at a time and proceeding in a logical manner is generally ok as long as you disconnect the battery, [preferably the night before so any residual power and also fuel pressure is dissipated]. Doing them one at a time means you are ok without the wiring diagrams too, or can avoid constantly referring back to one. Less room for error and ideal if knowledge is on a learning curve. This also gives you opportunity to check all the wiring and can be done in a warm workshop and mug of steaming tea cool beer alongside.

The ideal of course is that all is working fine before you start. With what you have its good to look at what might be the more obvious ones.
just a heads up ,
almost all modern digital meters are run from a little micro onboard ...unless you have a particular tester that is built for high voltage "mega"  testing ...looking for voltage break down and leakage
gone are the days of 27 volt batteries onboard  for resistance measurement on an insensitive analogue meter movement and all those high current/voltage reference stuff .

but having said that ...be aware when playing with sensitive electronics on the cpus in the ignition and efi modules also the hall effect devices in the ignition pickup    the only other place I can think of is the gear change indicator circuits in the meters module , and possibly the bmu , but considering all these have cmos buffered circuitry ...should be safe up to 16 volts maximum .
almost all the electronics in our bm's have some form of discreet regulator circuitry on the voltage input to the module .
so unless you have a bad earth to the battery or alternator (letting the voltage rise above normal conditions ) you should be mostly ok to go and play .

keep in mind that on most digital circuits we are not looking for resistance measurements into the module ...we would be looking for resistance measurements from the feeding sensor to the module ....eg  temperature sensor ....which feeds the ecu - efi with some form of return volts or resistance . in these cases we disconnect the sensor from the electronic module before conducting measurements on the sensor only .  never try to measure a resistance on a circuit that is still connected to the electronic brain part ...unless it is specified as an output with an adequate "driver" for rugged conditions .
not only will you get a weird and unexpected result from specified ...you just might cause some damage under these circumstances .

if you think that anything on the vehicle has some form of computer ....please .....ditch any of the self powered lamp continuity testers ...do not even let one loose in the garage ...if there is anything computerised in there ......this includes the lamp type testers of olden days to check for continuity or "power " arriving at the right place  even an analogue meter with less than 50.000 ohms per volt is a worry .

what was good on an old 50s chevy  aint nowhere near sophisticated enough to let loose in a shed with a computer inside

of coarse some folks know what they are doing, but I have stories of these same folks doing the wrong thing ...at least they know of the consequences.


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%Oproblem starting Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

22Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:29 pm

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Charlie I'm into it now ,
I've removed the tank from the LT ( problem child ) and fitted the RT tank , 
still showing the same symptoms .
with the tank disconnected I placed a finger over each fuel line to see if there was any suction pressure , nothing ,     should there be?
just flicking through the fuel section of the manual now.


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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23Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:54 pm

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The 4 pin plug that joins the tank to the wiring harness make absolutely sure the plug is contacting on all 4 pins. they are a problem piont I think it comes about because often the plug is forgoten and jerked when you lift the tank.
I had a similar problem and that is where it was,I checked power to the plug and connectivity from the socket to the pump and gauge sender but not the actual plug and spent hours looking.
You can gently and carefully get a pointed something into the X bit on the end of the male bit and open them up a touch and it will make contact.
Mine was so bad that I replaced it with a spade connector 4 pin plug.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

24Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:12 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Hi Rick
Looks like we are both pointing at the power connections at the fuel tank!!
Olaf 92KK


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 33,600 miles
    

25Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:38 pm

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92KK K100LT 193214 wrote:Ed

At the risk of repeating what has been said elsewhere, be very careful with the meter.

I am not totally up to date with them but what I do know is don't use one on the bike without good advice. Any self powered meters [with a battery in them] can spike and destroy some of the [expensive] electrics.


The ideal of course is that all is working fine before you start. With what you have its good to look at what might be the more obvious ones.
reading through the manual , in bold text "DO NOT ATTEMPT to to test any component using equipment which has its own power source", ie multi meters, ohmmeters , battery and bulb test circuits.
I am definitely on the cautious side , and would test as a last resort.
there seems to be plenty of power in the battery, starter is turning over freely , there is enough fuel in the tank to provide kick over , 
not sure if pump is engaging properly, I can hear it shutting off when hitting the kill switch.


found this , what does the blue wire relate to?
problem starting Proble10


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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26Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:43 pm

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Rick and Olaf , I gave the pins a tweak this morning , used a stanley knife as it was fine enough.

this is how it looks now

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also on removal of the RT tank , it was fitted with an earth wire at the rear left .
the LT has no such connection.


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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27Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:58 pm

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Just gave the connector a further tweak ,thought it was opened up enough earlier.

 and 
IT'S NOW GOING AGAIN ................WOOOHOOO!
I'll continue testing over the weekend, just to be sure.




thought I'd give it another test , before putting it back together.  back to original symptoms.
 
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as a brief the earth contact on the frame beneath the tank appears in good nick, hoses look good and pliable for their age,
could it be flooding itself. what would cause this?
would I be best to remove the pump and battery from the bike, run a test  , and follow through with the multi meter whilst seperated from the bike?


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
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28Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:07 am

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The earth wire on the tank doesn't matter for you its police business (stops the HF radio interference)
The pins are open far enough the right lower maybe too much but so long as it goes into the plug.
That blue wire has a trace colour so it must be grey and that is the power to the headlight switch so you had better get rid of the mice, either that or some mug has spliced into it and not repaired it after removal of accessory. Insulate it with something tape is easiest considering where it is.
The pump should run for 1.5 seconds after you release  the starter button or when it gets signals from the ICU to keep it running.  It will stop running in the 1.5 sec gap if you turn the kill switch off in that time.


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29Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:12 am

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is the pump usually audible between when you turn the key and when you press the starter, 
I was flicking through some Youtube this morning , no definite answers there.
I know the Boulevard is prior to pressing the starter.

the rest is as you mention Rick.
the symptoms are very similar to over priming a mower, leave it for a period and it responds better. but no positive result.

I've managed about four 1st starts through the day,usually after a break from proceedings.
A couple of those were followed immediately by a repeat 1st start.
all others have failed any repeat start, or starting at all . turning but no kick over.


"Charlie" 
"ed just a suggestion to unplug the under seat computer connector .....clean it up with maybe a brass brush on the pins (800 wet and dry or something )  both sides and plug it back in after a clean up with some electrical cleaner ...metho ...anything ...then treat it with deoxit 
this controls the injectors
there is a hole in the tool tray  that has the clip  to release the connector ."


ICU and FIU both cleaned and deoxit'd. The FIU didn't like the brush over ( nothing heavy handed), started to play up on the dash lights/ clock
yet to put a meter to the ICU.


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1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
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30Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:30 am

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The pump should not do anything till you push the starter button. Every time you push the start button the pump should run for 1.5 seconds
One thing to be very creful of when starting the K100 is not to open the throttle, any of the Bosch Jetronic systems are the same.
My Grey K100 that Alby has now would not start with any throttle at all.   I used to take my hand of the grip and press the button with my index finger.


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31Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:04 am

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Battery is on charge after a day of test and retesting.
Diagnostics is my weak point, once the fault is located , I'm into it , Mr Fixit.
so today has been elimination day, fact finding as you might say.
also thanks to the forum for the helpful info.
hope to be back on track soon .as this is my only t'port to work . the train has been my backup.


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1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
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32Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:25 pm

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Today will be , dismantling the Airbox , 
need to see if any thing is 'stuck'.  I'll follow this line of investigation as Charlie made mention of a strong fuel vapour, and I did experience an occasion of strong vapours from under the tank for a brief moment as well, on the way to Seans after the Totts affair.
possibilities could be ?     filter foul  ,  butterfly stuck  ,      plug loose or needs cleaning  and deoxit   , 
is there anything else in this region to explore whilst I'm there?


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33Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:50 pm

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hi ed ...take out the afm so you can check-clean that connector properly and check that the flap mooves evenly

the wiff of whatever that I got, was of carbon monoxide or too rich a fuel mix .

there are threads in here about the springing of the flap becoming weaker over the years and in need of tightening up to restore a good mix ratio .....just a heads up ...as you need special tools to make that decision (ox analyser etc )

whilst your down there with the air box removed ...remove the clip type temperature sensor connector and clean it up

this device could add to running rich if it has a high resistance ....take measurements between each pin on the sensor and earth  after testing the connector on under seat computer pin 10 on the flexi cable and earth ( pin 1 is at the front _ scale should be on over 2000 ohms
so next scale up might be 20,000 ohms ...depending on your meter) ....this might confirm if in fact you have corrosion on the sensor pins leading to the loom
the graph of relative temp sensor readings versus ambient temperature is in the "efi ignition thread on the downloads links of the "portal" page

I found that my sensor needed to be unscrewed to clean up the earth type thread contact ... as well as cleaning the pins on the sensor
I also changed the washer between the sensor and water stub (brass to aluminium ) with a tinned copper washer .

the wiff of fuel experienced by most of us is usually at a stop event and a little fuel drops into the collector cup under the tank with the motor hot the smell gets out and rises

good luck


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34Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:14 pm

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Charlie , this is what it looks like , all seems clean and in order ., but any thoughts are helpful.

slight discolouration in pins 1, 4,5 is this normal ,do they require buffing?

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flap is moving under light tension , seems normal as a butterfly in a carby would.
temp sensor at top of inlet , looks ok .

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air filter , I was expecting to see a dirtier filament , is it showing any signs that would point to any thing else I should be looking at?
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outlet side, I'm not sure what I should be looking at here ?

problem starting K100_a14


this is my discovery tour so far today.
I've learnt a bit more about my K , as I have never removed the panels , some tight spots in there.



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1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
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35Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:23 pm

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yes mate ...give them a buff ....looks to be a little furriness around a few of them

not many of us even go in there to check anything ...do it once and do it good ..


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36Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:53 pm

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A Dirty and partly blocked air filter will not make a K100 run rich as the air measurement is done after the air passes through the filter.  It could make it starve up top end but it would have to be very bad for even that to happen.


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And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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37Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:06 am

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given the recent conditions , the filter looks good.
we only encountered minor dust on the trip to Totts, due to the friday rains. sealed roads provided a pleasant trip for the weekend.
15 years ago , the western ares of NSW had very few sealed roads, mainly corrugated gravel, very unpleasant on road bikes. good to see a vast improvement.
 history of this bike is it was purchased from ( the coastal region of) Wollongong in 2008, running very smooth ,no issues. and it has been my 24/7 transport since.
Mostly serviced by the shops, now that I'm sourcing items myself , it's remarkable the difference in costs associated with service materials.


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1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
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38Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:43 am

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I didnt mean the thermistor in the afm ed
meant the temperature sensor ...on the water stub ...behind the radiator

just above the top of the engine  right behind the radiator

http://www.k100-forum.com/t1833p250-85-rt-resto-my-attempt-hey-im-not-into-making-a-show-bike#32160

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have seen quite a few of these with corroded threads ....this is after removal and clean up of the thread area


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39Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:07 am

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Reading through this in post 22 ed indicates he replaced the tank from the rt with no change, but no indication if the rt tank was off a runner I mean unchecked, it has sat for 4 years so i would suspect the pump to be dry, and apart from that perhaps the female connector isnt clean either. this appears to have clouded things, mostly it seems the female connector on the lt tank would still seem to be the issue to tackle, once a guarenteed current flow is produced then could the other issue be looked at, but the rich running considered by the temp sender is at present compounding the primary issue, it seems to me that if when it ran last, Ed had run it till hot then the unburnt fuel would have cleared itself and not manifest as a difficult to start bike. Anyone else see value in returning to the 4 prong connector???????


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40Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:36 am

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if the temp sensor is open circuit ...they flood out real quick
but your right keith ... always good to know that the pump is good and solid connection ....and pumping


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41Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:46 am

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Maybe the temp sensor is the primary and the connector has brought it to a head?


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42Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:42 am

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I would want absolute certainty on the 4 pin connector to the fuel pump. The fact that it actually turns over keeps me looking at that one.


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1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
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43Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:16 am

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whilst looking at the four prong ( pump)connector, I noticed the prongs can be easily moved , and able to be withdrawn back into the sheath on the male side.
 is this possible? ,  could it be the pins are not entering the female connector adequately to make proper contact ?

Keith ,I poured some fresh fuel into the RT tank a month ago , would this not soak into the pump , or does the pump need to activate to prime itself?


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44Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:15 am

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If you can hear the pump running when you touch the start button the next step is does it actually pump.
Remove the cap by undoing the 4 phillips screws around the part attached to the tank then you can get a good look into the tank.
There is a rubber line from the top of the pump to the filter then from the other end of the filter to a fixed aluminium tube. Undo it at that tube and the filter will be able to be withdrawn from the tank while still attached to the pump.
Now be careful because if the pump is working it can pump a heap of fuel and at a fair pressure.
hold the filter so that the open line is pointing down inside the tank and push the start button to make the pump run. If fuel comes out then next step is to hold your thumb over the end of the rubber tube and push the start button (make sure it is inside the tank and wont squirt out over you) you snould not be able to stop the flow without considerable effort.
If no fuel remove the filter and do it over again if you get fuel then replace the filter if no fuel and pump is running it is probably shagged.
Give that a go mate.


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45Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:19 am

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whilst looking at the four prong ( pump)connector, I noticed the prongs can be easily moved , and able to be withdrawn back into the sheath on the male side.
 is this possible? ,  could it be the pins are not entering the female connector adequately to make proper contact ?
 
My connector was different to yours but in my case that would be a yes. As a test with the tank in place and all connected you could get 4 lengths of wire with female connectors on one end and see if you can get them over the male pin. The other end you can twist and insert into the female plug and the fire it up to see if it works.

You can make up new connectors but in doing so you will shorten the wiring. My LT had that block removed and 4 spade connectors in place of it. It works fine but cannot reconnect in the dark. Now I know why it was done.....


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1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
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46Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:22 am

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Ed,

Rick Gs step is good but....those 4 screws can be a tight fit.. Cant get them out on the LT. WD40 first.


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1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 33,600 miles
    

47Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:03 pm

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groverK wrote:whilst looking at the four prong ( pump)connector, I noticed the prongs can be easily moved , and able to be withdrawn back into the sheath on the male side.
 is this possible? ,  could it be the pins are not entering the female connector adequately to make proper contact ?
ED THE FURTHER INTO THE FEMALE YOU CAN PUSH YOUR PRONGS THE BETTER, BUT IF ITS CORODED UP IN THERE THEN ITS ENTERING CORODED METAL AND MAYNOT CONTACT.

Keith ,I poured some fresh fuel into the RT tank a month ago , would this not soak into the pump , or does the pump need to activate to prime itself?
Good that you flooded the pump with fresh fuel on the rt. but if the rt had been running that last month and you put the lt tank on it and it fired up, that is entirely different to sticking the rt tank on your bike and not knowing if the rt tank worked. But stick with the connector and the temp sender as it would seem there is substance to those items being the cause of the issue. Sorry I cant get over as I am heading to the hospital as you are coming home from work. They are attaching a valve to the handbrake so she can speak so we have to be there to see if it works, its been 2 months since she spoke. I took her into maitland hospital on Aug 12th with chest pain and they kept her and she has been in John hunter Hospital since the failed angiogram on Aug18th so am not in a position to assist in the arvo's, but maybe on the weekend???


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48Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:36 pm

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On my LT a previous owner had removed that 4 way block and replaced the connections with 4 spade connectors. Looks like you might be doing the same thing unless you can remove the block and replace it with a new one. Trouble is the wires are quite short and fiddly. I had no issues with the spade connectors and they are easy to crimp up.


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1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 100,380 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 33,600 miles
    

49Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:13 pm

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92KK K100LT 193214 wrote:On my LT a previous owner had removed that 4 way block and replaced the connections with 4 spade connectors. Looks like you might be doing the same thing unless you can remove the block and replace it with a new one. Trouble is the wires are quite short and fiddly. I had no issues with the spade connectors and they are easy to crimp up.
Thats effectivly what I ended up doing after what seemed like 100 000 stops between Warwick and Stanthorpe (60km). I was getting ready to call the auto club to come and shoot it between the blinkers.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
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50Back to top Go down   problem starting Empty Re: problem starting on Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:13 am

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92KK K100LT 193214 wrote:Ed,

Rick Gs step is good but....those 4 screws can be a tight fit.. Cant get them out on the LT. WD40 first.
removed the RT fuel surround last weekend with no grief .

ordered a new fuel filter already , might be here for the weekend .
purchased a new battery today , the existing one has not given any signs of problem , but best to replace whilst we are at it.

due to family commitments (quality family time needed) through the weeknights, I'll be back into the K scene on the weekend.
Keith be sure you allow the same, hope it is progressing well for you all.
I'd like to throw a big thanks to a forum guest for the loan of their 1100LT, to provide t'port to work . I'm lost without my K.
just as a forward  mention , I have been advised this same bike with be up for sale very soon , particulars will be posted when the time comes.

I'm looking forward to following through with a few of the suggestions as the weekend arrives.



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