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1Back to top Go down   Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP Empty Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP on Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:41 pm

spinedoc

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Hello all - I need help.
 In the process of removing the swing arm on my 1985 K100rs, I popped a hole in the grease retainer. I figured it would be easy to just pop the old one out and go to the dealer for a new one. No such luck. Does anyone know of a fix or swap for this part without buying a used swing arm off eBay?
Thanks in advance for any help.


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duck

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What's a "grease retainer?"  If you're referring to the rubber boot at the front of the swing arm then it is part 33171454552 and still available for about $20.


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3Back to top Go down   Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP Empty Re: Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:44 pm

sidecar paul

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Spinedoc,
 If you mean the thin plate under the inner bearing, then you could simply cut a circle of tin plate (or even a drinks can) and use that.

 I have seen swing arms with and without that shield, so I don't think it would be a problem if that shield had a hole in it.

Paul.


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4Back to top Go down   Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP Empty Re: Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:58 pm

klamityboy

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Do you mean #4 in this?

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1991 K75RT-P

Model Description: K 75RT
Market: Europe
Type: 0565
E-Code: K569
Engine: 3_ZYL - 0,70l (55kW)
Transmission: Manual
Body Color: Polizeiweiss
Production Date: 30.08.1990
    

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RicK G

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I removed that thin plate on both Ks when the bearing was replaced and have not had any problems by not having it there.
I had water ingress from the outside on one bearing but nothing from the back of it.
I regrease the bearings when I do the splines which is at each tyre change.


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spinedoc

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so it is not #4 in the picture - I think that picture is for a different year.
this is the one I mangled trying to remove after I put a nickel sized hole in it.
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the one on the right is the good side


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RicK G

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Thats the ones I was refering to I had to butcher them to get the cup out and didn't replace them just put loads of grease around the back of them.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
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klamityboy

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So would it be #6?


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1991 K75RT-P

Model Description: K 75RT
Market: Europe
Type: 0565
E-Code: K569
Engine: 3_ZYL - 0,70l (55kW)
Transmission: Manual
Body Color: Polizeiweiss
Production Date: 30.08.1990
    

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spinedoc

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#6 is the actual bearing


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10Back to top Go down   Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP Empty Re: Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:05 pm

spinedoc

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Thanks Rick G
I will just yank out the old stuff and pack it real good, I will probably place a piece of tin over the gap to try to retain some grease near the bearing over time.


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RicK G

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I think that what Paul suggested would be a good thing.
Apparently a very special tool is needed to get them out intact. I have a slide hammer with an expanding claw but could not get it to work on such a small bearing so out came the butchers block.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

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klamityboy

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Ah so another case of a part not shown on the microfiche. Apologies for not being very helpful.  Very Happy


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1991 K75RT-P

Model Description: K 75RT
Market: Europe
Type: 0565
E-Code: K569
Engine: 3_ZYL - 0,70l (55kW)
Transmission: Manual
Body Color: Polizeiweiss
Production Date: 30.08.1990
    

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orforester

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Might be crazy, but I did the same thing, popped a hole in that thin plate behind bearing.  I took the seal off a peanut butter jar, it is alu and used grease to hold it in, sealing the hole up?  Call me hillbilly, yep I am.


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14Back to top Go down   Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP Empty Re: Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP on Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:19 am

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I used heat to get the race out of the arm on the K100 when I replaced bearings. 
Once the race is out you'll see it's just a thin metal cap type thing.
My R1100 has a similar swingarm/bearing setup but doesn't have those caps installed.

    

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Measure the diameter and get yourself a core plug.
Many sizes available, and cheap as chips. 
You can pick them up from any auction site (fleabay)
Tap it in gently.
Its only to keep the crap out.
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16Back to top Go down   Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP Empty Re: Swing Arm grease retainer - HELP on Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:09 pm

smithy

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@the.postman wrote:Measure the diameter and get yourself a core plug.
Many sizes available, and cheap as chips. 
You can pick them up from any auction site (fleabay)
Tap it in gently.
Its only to keep the crap out.
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 Core plugs would be way to thick, unless you need to space the bearing.
I used the same method as Robin , heat gun for about 3 minutes then gave the  swing arm a good bump on a piece of timber, the race and rear thin tin plate grease retainer just came out. Very easy using the heat gun , no need for special bearing puller tool.


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