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1Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty expressions of interest on Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:40 pm

Stan

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Calling for expression of interest of K owners with bikes built between 1983 and 1985 to form an historical social bike club in the state of New South Wales, Australia. This way we can possibly register our bikes at a much lower price and have many of our rides sanctioned. I raised this issue some time ago, but now there may be more people interested. In our state the bike must be 30 or more years old as opposed to other states where it is 25.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

2Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:57 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Not much good to you but in Ireland at 30 years old cars bikes etc are classed as Veteran and Vintage and we get cheaper road fund and cheaper insurance. However the cheaper insurance seems restricted to limited miles and attending organised events. I use the bike all the time so I only get the cheap road fund fee.

Do you have room for what we refer to as overseas members?


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 58,645 now 98,780 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 32,600 miles
    

3Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:16 pm

Inge K.

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@92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:Not much good to you but in Ireland at 30 years old cars bikes etc are classed as Veteran and Vintage and we get cheaper road fund and cheaper insurance. However the cheaper insurance seems restricted to limited miles and attending organised events.

30 years and same rules in Norway....on the paper.


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K100RS -86. (first owner), K1100LTSE -94.
    

4Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:57 pm

werewasi

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Information already on hand fr Registrar of Incorp societies regarding registration. Nec for club to be incorp to be recognised by RTA for classic registration purposes.

Public Liability insurance will be the issue and its cost.

The point - Will enable Ks to be ridden on rides arranged through this forum, because to date, any proposed ride must be listed by the club (inc) to which the rider belongs.
My club (CVEMCC) will not recognise K riders unless on their club rides


Probably best that thread contributions are constructive and not fr naysayers.


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K100RS  1983 and 1986 (bought a 2nd and put them both together in a dark garage thinking that i would get a heap of parts from the progeny but nothing happened- think they're gay)  Laughing Laughing Laughing

1985 K75, Guzzi V7 Special, 1986 GB500, 1974 T500, 1986 MB5 with the whoppa 100cc engine transplant, NC 700 SA Honda, two 1986 Kawasaki BR250s
    

5Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:01 pm

Stan

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We pay normal costs where registration or road tax is determined by the weight of the machine...the heavier...the more wear you cause on the road system. We all know the Ks really fly, therefore should pay very little.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

6Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:10 pm

werewasi

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Incidentally cost of 'historic registration 'in NSW is $59 p.a. ($99 first time with plate issued.) A lot cheaper than Qld.


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K100RS  1983 and 1986 (bought a 2nd and put them both together in a dark garage thinking that i would get a heap of parts from the progeny but nothing happened- think they're gay)  Laughing Laughing Laughing

1985 K75, Guzzi V7 Special, 1986 GB500, 1974 T500, 1986 MB5 with the whoppa 100cc engine transplant, NC 700 SA Honda, two 1986 Kawasaki BR250s
    

7Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:29 pm

indian036

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As of this year, I can get my 85RT club registered with my local club, but probably wouldn't at this stage as I like the flexibility of riding when I want to.

I'd definitely be interested in participating in a club that can be registered with RMS for historic registration, as I do more rides related to this forum than any other organised rides. 

Does anyone know how flexible the process is for having a ride sanctioned without getting RMS offside? 

Whether or not I'd get historic registration I don't know, but membership would happen, if only to help make historic registration available for those who want it.

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

8Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:18 am

rosskko

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THIS from an earlier attempt to do the same.

Not for me. To save $100 a year on rego is not worth the inconvenience.


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1986 K100RT VIN 0093801K100RT with summer fairing for a northern visitor

Basic/2 6308802K100CJ  05/1988

K1100RS 0194321
    

9Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:36 am

werewasi

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Probably best that thread contributions are constructive and not fr naysayers.


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K100RS  1983 and 1986 (bought a 2nd and put them both together in a dark garage thinking that i would get a heap of parts from the progeny but nothing happened- think they're gay)  Laughing Laughing Laughing

1985 K75, Guzzi V7 Special, 1986 GB500, 1974 T500, 1986 MB5 with the whoppa 100cc engine transplant, NC 700 SA Honda, two 1986 Kawasaki BR250s
    

10Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:12 am

rosskko

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@werewasi wrote:



Probably best that thread contributions are constructive and not fr naysayers.

Pretty sure the link to the original post (also started by Ainsjac) is pretty constructive regardless of my personal opinion.


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1986 K100RT VIN 0093801K100RT with summer fairing for a northern visitor

Basic/2 6308802K100CJ  05/1988

K1100RS 0194321
    

11Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:18 pm

werewasi

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@indian036 wrote:

Does anyone know how flexible the process is for having a ride sanctioned without getting RMS offside? 


The issue does not revolve around the RMS (old RTA). In the end it is a police matter.
The rule seems to be that you can only ride a club plated bike on rides that are sanctioned by the club you belong to. This is either by way of the club newsletter or by way of a reciprocal agreement with another club.
In the case of the CVEMC, the president of the club has stated that if you are pulled up riding your 'historic plated 'bike, if the club is aware of your being on an ápproved' ride, and if the cop gets antsy and books you for no registration, the club will intervene and suppport you in your appeal to the RMS. However, there will be no RETROSPECTIVE APPROVAL deals done. If the clubs abuse this arrangement then they will have only them selves to blame and it is a pretty good deal that we have in NSW. Much better than Qld.

The better scheme is the Victorian one where you purchase a log book and decide what days you want to elect to ride. A nationally uniform standard approach would be great, esp if based on the Victorian model. 
I spoke to one of the officers at the Grafton RTA where the 'historic plated vehicles' admin is based and he alleged that the Vic scheme was being abused and that NSW wouldn't adopt it for that reason. More likely that this is the usual state rivalry and every one needing to reinvent the wheel.

To re iterate, I have a K that I can only ride on club runs (only once a month) and this is not enough. A K club would have the advantage of being the arranger of K bike runs
and even if the numbers on a particular ride were small, they would still be official.


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K100RS  1983 and 1986 (bought a 2nd and put them both together in a dark garage thinking that i would get a heap of parts from the progeny but nothing happened- think they're gay)  Laughing Laughing Laughing

1985 K75, Guzzi V7 Special, 1986 GB500, 1974 T500, 1986 MB5 with the whoppa 100cc engine transplant, NC 700 SA Honda, two 1986 Kawasaki BR250s
    

12Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:35 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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I know I would not be going through such hoops for the historic vehicles.

At the moment we have a situation where you can insure multiple bikes on one policy, the premium being decided by the most powerful one and then a small flat fee for each additional one. This is done by the insurers. Alternatively you can have a collective policy and share an agreed mileage between all your classic vehicles. The local authorities at the moment only regard it a as classification and it does not need to be policed. I think the best of both worlds is we can use our K every day, work etc too and its legal as long as you have the correct insurance.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Alaska Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 58,645 now 98,780 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell No 32,600 miles
    

13Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:53 pm

werewasi

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Very commendable that insurance companies in your part of the world are prepared to cover several bikes at not not a lot more than the premium for one but historic vehicle registration isn't connected to a an insurance issue an any way. Well, only in as much as the registration fee covers 3rd party personal injury in Qld and in NSW you have to go and get a green slip (3rd part personal only)

For my Titan on club rego, the admin fee is $21 and the CTP premium $36. total $57.
Some posters are saying that they don't care about the cost difference between this and normal registration.
Fine, if you have only one bike but if you have seven, the difference is thousands of dollars.

Quote" To save $100 a year on rego is not worth the inconvenience"


Just bs. So you can register (and get CTP ) a K in NSW for $157 a year? don't think so.


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K100RS  1983 and 1986 (bought a 2nd and put them both together in a dark garage thinking that i would get a heap of parts from the progeny but nothing happened- think they're gay)  Laughing Laughing Laughing

1985 K75, Guzzi V7 Special, 1986 GB500, 1974 T500, 1986 MB5 with the whoppa 100cc engine transplant, NC 700 SA Honda, two 1986 Kawasaki BR250s
    

14Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:46 pm

RicK G

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How much is the rego on a K in NSW?


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"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."  from Mencken's 1919 Prejudices

Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

15Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:27 am

Stan

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Rick, I believe there are differences for the compulsory green slips, depending whether you are in the country or city. My bike is a country one....green slip..$311,rego....$212. My understanding is that the historic plate scheme fee covers both fees.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

16Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:38 am

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My renewal for the red rocket was $440 and $72 for the concessional on red plates so there is very little difference


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"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."  from Mencken's 1919 Prejudices

Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

17Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:32 am

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It's not a bad idea to revisit this idea Stan. I really like having full rego so I can ride the bike any time I want, but understand the need for concessional rego as our stable grows ( or as K pox tightens it's grip )  
My rego costs are, green slip QBE  $388 and rego $120


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87 K100rs : Vin 9462 
86 K100rt : Vin 9901
Naked
98 K1100lt: Vin 8044
    

18Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:01 am

AL-58

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Setting up an incorporated club, getting the liability insurance and sorting the arrangements with the RMS is a lot of work.  Probably better to join an existing organisation.

I can tell you about BMWTCNSW and what we do just for your consideration.


  1. Its an established incorporated club that already exists and will celebrate 50 years of existance this year.
  2. There is an established historic plate scheme.
  3. The historic registrar is a K rider (has about 3 in various states of repairplus the usual shed full of bits)
  4. Yes you can only use your historic plated bike on club events (plus local tuning/maintenance rides etc but must notify the registrar before if you are moving your plated bike)
  5. The ride co-ordinator is very accommodating by including any rides in the calendar when requested by member who wishs to take their historic plated bike to a specific event (The co-ordinator needs 2 months notification due to the need to publish in the newsletter.  I know this because the ride co-ordinator is moi.
  6. The club  would be amenable to setting up a Klassik-K Register within the club, but it would still have to be part of the club. 


So, if you're interested at all 1- Join, 2-contact the registrar regarding getting the historic rego, 3 contact the VP if/when you wish to get a ride/event listed on the calendar.

Or don't, your call. Fire any questions my way if you're interested.

Al


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'87 K100RS/HRD sidecar (1100 motor)  sc25 
'92 K100RS-16v (Paint it Black)

'87 K100RT with Paralever backend

"When I'm too old and too foolish to handle a sidecar I'll buy a Sportsbike"

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19Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:17 am

Stan

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Smithy, I am with qbe as well. Do you know that if you can prove that you have a clean licence history you get a reduced price.
Al, thanks for your info, really appreciate it. I look at the issue from the situation of having 2 k bikes fully registered. If one could be a club bike and have occassional runs and the other more as a daily bike. As I grow older in my retirement and my body reminds me of this, the number of riding days get less. Just want to have as many of our bikes on the road as possible so that enjoyment of riding can continue.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

20Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:29 am

AL-58

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Believe me, i know where you are coming from with 5 registered bikes in the garage. We're going to be selling two in the next few months hopefully (the 2 that get ridden the least)

Al


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'87 K100RS/HRD sidecar (1100 motor)  sc25 
'92 K100RS-16v (Paint it Black)

'87 K100RT with Paralever backend

"When I'm too old and too foolish to handle a sidecar I'll buy a Sportsbike"

expressions of interest K-dogs10
    

21Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:47 am

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Yes Stan, I got stung at 6km over the limit nearly 2 years ago ( first speed ticket in over 15 years ) and have been paying for it ever since. The insurance companies make more money out of it than the Police ever do.


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87 K100rs : Vin 9462 
86 K100rt : Vin 9901
Naked
98 K1100lt: Vin 8044
    

22Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:15 am

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ainsjac wrote:Calling for expression of interest of K owners with bikes built between 1983 and 1985 to form an historical social bike club in the state of New South Wales, Australia. This way we can possibly register our bikes at a much lower price and have many of our rides sanctioned. I raised this issue some time ago, but now there may be more people interested. In our state the bike must be 30 or more years old as opposed to other states where it is 25.
Hi there ainsjac
 you can count me in as the scooter will only ever be used for rallies which can all be club sanctioned events. I was going to register the old girl with the local club but this is more cosy I think


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Previous owner of a couple of k100s (quite a few moons ago)
current bikes FJ1200 and a Spyder RS

1985 K100 naked outfit (currently a work in progress)
    

23Back to top Go down   expressions of interest Empty Re: expressions of interest on Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:19 pm

Stan

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Smithy, I know this cant help you now but, in nsw if you have a good record and you do get caught for a low over the limit speeding incident then you can send off a letter, or ring the number on the ticket and talk to a real person. In most cases a caution will be issued..........you have been a naughty boy, dont do it again.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

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