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1Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Sat May 06, 2017 3:34 pm

Flip2

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Hi group, it seems like I've had a good bit of mileage before these problems On a86 k100 rs . First , I rode up a steep gravel road for twenty minutes in first and second gear ( temps 70-80 F) and the temperature warning light came on maybe halfway up, when I stopped at the top and parked with the engine slightly uphill the coolant started overflowing from the reservoir at the back of the bike. I never heard the fan turn on while going uphill or before I shut the bike off at the top. I let it rest for a couple hours  and reattached the rubber cap and rode home without any issues. I had replaced the temperature sensing switch   a year ago because it wouldn't start. 

Another question I have is the bike will occasionally cut out at high speed like it is running out of fuel but will come back on by itself and this has happened a few times after starting to go downhill right after cresting s hill .I've looked on the forum and it sounds like it could be anything from the Hall effect sensors to the ignition switch , valves needing adjusted and oh yeah the temp sensing switch ( I've already replaced ) Fuel tank has been cleaned , fuel filter and pump  replaced, deteriorating rubber parts replaced , all in the last few years . Maybe someone has a new take ? Cheers

    

2Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Sat May 06, 2017 3:43 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Check the electrical plug connector into the fuel tank. If everything is cutting out then it may be at the ignition wiring but if only the engine is cutting out then the ignition should be ok.

Fan temperature sensor is not the same as then engine temp sensor that controls the starting of the engine.

But check your fan will actually rotate, it may be seized. They tend to do that.....


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 42,640 miles.

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1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

3Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 09, 2017 1:53 am

Flip2

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Ok sorry I installed a new temperature relay .. . The fan will spin but the wiring connector came apart very easily for only being able to get one hand on it and I see the fan side connector has a plastic male plug that wasn't connected to any slot . Any how there is another post in the electrical forum that should help with troubleshooting the fan that I just saw. Thanks

    

4Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 09, 2017 2:18 am

duck

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How much gas in it when it cuts out? If it's very low then the gas can wash around in the tank and starve the fuel pump under some circumstances.


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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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5Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 09, 2017 1:11 pm

Flip2

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Plenty of fuel so that shouldn't be the cause. I have had that happen on steep twisty up hills before, that's not encouraging but at high speeds in traffic I don't like my bike cutting out , at all! !

    

6Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 09, 2017 2:58 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Fuel slop inside the tank going uphill with falling fuel level will cause the intake to suffer fuel starvation when the fuel slops away going uphill as the pick up is at the front of the tank. I live up a steep hill........DAMHIK


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 42,640 miles.

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

7Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 09, 2017 5:53 pm

duck

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A side note on fuel starvation: If you are running out of fuel then you can get another mile or two out of your tank by riding with the bike tilted to the left. DAMHIK.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

8Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Thu May 11, 2017 4:05 am

Holister

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you can get another mile or two out of your tank by riding with the bike tilted to the left.
Yeah. Done that a coupla times coming off the freeway. I start to worry a little when you can hear the pump sucking air.

@Flip2 wrote:....
Another question I have is the bike will occasionally cut out at high speed like it is running out of fuel but will come back on by itself and this has happened a few times after starting to go downhill right after cresting s hill .I've looked on the forum and it sounds like it could be anything from the Hall effect sensors to the ignition switch , valves needing adjusted and oh yeah the temp sensing switch ( I've already replaced ) Fuel tank has been cleaned , fuel filter and pump  replaced, deteriorating rubber parts replaced , all in the last few years . Maybe someone has a new take ? Cheers
One way to tell if the ignition switch is being an arse is if the instrument lights flicker or go out. Usually when this happens the 'brake light' warning comes on when ignition power is restored.
But I seem to remember someone (Rockman I think???) had a similar problem while cresting a hill and I think there was a solution. Check out his posts.


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1989 K100RT     VIN  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN  0451808
  No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Austra12    Fuel:  95 Octane
Engine Oil: Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
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9Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Thu May 11, 2017 5:00 am

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@Holister wrote:
you can get another mile or two out of your tank by riding with the bike tilted to the left.
Yeah. Done that a coupla times coming off the freeway. I start to worry a little when you can hear the pump sucking air.

@Flip2 wrote:....
Another question I have is the bike will occasionally cut out at high speed like it is running out of fuel but will come back on by itself and this has happened a few times after starting to go downhill right after cresting s hill .I've looked on the forum and it sounds like it could be anything from the Hall effect sensors to the ignition switch , valves needing adjusted and oh yeah the temp sensing switch ( I've already replaced ) Fuel tank has been cleaned , fuel filter and pump  replaced, deteriorating rubber parts replaced , all in the last few years . Maybe someone has a new take ? Cheers
One way to tell if the ignition switch is being an arse is if the instrument lights flicker or go out. Usually when this happens the 'brake light' warning comes on when ignition power is restored.
But I seem to remember someone (Rockman I think???) had a similar problem while cresting a hill and I think there was a solution. Check out his posts.

In my case it turned out to be the hall effect sensor. Going uphill it would warm up a bit and cut out, then cool down a bit going downhill and run again. Replaced the HES and all good again. One of the sensors was actually loose on the plate so it was a wonder it went at all.

    

10Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 16, 2017 2:14 am

Flip2

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Ok , getting back to my fan I realized the wiring is damaged on the end of the wiring harness before the connector that connects to the temperature sensor.
The parts fiche for this bike 86 k100 rs shows 2 connectors at the end of the engine wiring harness-
one goes to the temperature sensor and does anyone know what /where the other goes to ? I do have a short section of tubing (15cm) coming up from the engine right under the fan that someone has put a screw into it.
If I remove the harness and cut out the damaged wire and solder a new piece back in place and maybe shrink tube it would this be acceptable in general ?

The fan itself will not turn on by powering it directly from the battery yellow/purple) and grounding the brown wire. So I'll take the fan out and have a better look at the wiring and the tips for rebuilding (thanks for the downloads!!)




    

11Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 16, 2017 6:37 am

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Due to the OEM's fans passion for seizing it is a good idea to fit an override switch. If you flip the fan on once a week it helps stop the fan from seizing and gives you the comfort of knowing your fan is working. If the fan is seized take the opportunity to replace it with a fully sealed one. I fitted a Davies Craig fan probably 19 years ago and it has never missed a beat.
Regards Martin.

    

12Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 16, 2017 10:03 am

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Cut'n'splice is okay, if done properly - the heatshrink is a Good Idea (tm). I think you're talking about the temp sensor and the fan connectors, but telling us the wiring colour codes would help a lot.

As for the tube: I think that was part of the California emissions regs but it sounds like someone has removed the gubbins. It needs someone else to confirm/deny that.


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1983 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec, 1987 K100RT
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13Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Tue May 16, 2017 2:55 pm

duck

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Yes, the tube on the front of the motor is CA related emissions junk. Very common to have that blocked and not an issue.

Yes, the fan connector wiring is violet/yellow (12V+) and brown(ground.) Solder/heat shrink repair should work just fine.

It should run when you jump it so it sounds as though your fan might be kaput.

Aftermarket fan:

http://www.kbikeparts.com/classickbikes.com/ckb.tech/0.ckb.tech.files/fans/fans.htm


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

14Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Thu May 18, 2017 1:29 am

Flip2

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YOk thanks for the info, the damaged wire is on the engine wiring harness before it connects to the temperature sensor( purple green wire)and not the fan like I posted, sorry  ! Will take a better look at the fan soon and see if it can be brought back to life .  I see the bosck fan motor is available for $80 (usd) but will compare with other new complete fans and maybe that override switch .

    

15Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Sat May 20, 2017 1:32 am

Flip2

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PYes my old fan is cooked, one of the brushes was less than 1/4 inch and the other one looked new comparatively , anyhow ordered that fancy spal fan and wanted to know what kind of connector set up to use since the new and old connectors won't match ?

    

16Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Sat May 20, 2017 3:18 am

Point-Seven-five

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When I did mine I just cut the connector off the old Bosch fan and spliced it onto the wires for the new one.  Soldered and used shrink tube for a nice job.


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1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS
1988 K100RS SE

Past:
1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

17Back to top Go down   No fan, cutting out 86 k100  Empty Re: No fan, cutting out 86 k100 Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:40 pm

Flip2

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The wires feeding my coolant /water temp sensor were damaged and while I was repairing them I added a new wire at this damaged area to the wire connected to pin E of the temp relay( not joined to the wire to pin 10 of the efi-the other wire of the temp sensor) via a switch connected to the grounding point under the tank. This did not work to ground E , no fan power. 

I grounded pin E by temporarily sandwiching a wire in with pin E in the loom with the relay connected and this worked for getting the fan to turn on after grounding the wire. So am wondering why the first set up didn't work and also wether it's possible to push the female connector out of the base of the relay  in order to add a wire in at this connector
for my switch to ground pin E. if not that what is the easiest way to join a wire to pin E in the loom , a simple splice below the relay?

    

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