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1Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Air Leak Fixing help needed Wed May 30, 2018 2:51 am

George_Pap

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Good day community.
K100RT resurrection project advances.
After researching the bad/poor idle running issue i did the test as suggested to spray check my injection - intake manifolds area for leaks.
So, what i did.



A. Sprayed some WD40 contact cleaner and found idle stalling when spraying the red marked areas in the picture.

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B. Took out the injectors and tested the spray pattern on a paper cardboard. pattern was even and fine.   

So. Its certain that i have to fix the leak. And here come my questions

1. Can i replace the Oetiker clamps with common ones? 

2. Since i'm there for that fix is there something else i could check to prevent dismantling the whole left side in the near future?


3. Here is the parts list i'm preparing to order. Do i miss anything? Its crucial because ordering from Motorworks UK takes to reach my Island more than 2 weeks. I m thinking that it would be wise to replace all 4 inlets, lower and upper and clips.


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4. Is any of these parts interchangeable with any current production part that i could acquire from the local BMW Dealer?


5. Also want to replace the fuel line from the tank in order to expand it a bit longer for easier tank removal. The OEM part dimensions are 8x13 (mm i guess)
I cant find the exact match from 3rd party such as WURTH or KLEBER. The closest i get is 7,5 X 15. Any suggestions?

Thank you once more for the helo.


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2Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Wed May 30, 2018 8:22 am

Dai

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1. You don't need Oetiker clamps. You can use worm drives (jubilee clips). Just be careful not to foul the throttle quadrant which will stop the throttle from closing. A lot of us have worm drives down there now.
2. No... but the repair should last for quite a few years / kms.
3. A couple of questions:
  Why do you need the injector clips? Unless yours are really rusty, they're reusable.
  I'd get a couple of sets of the rubber vacuum caps. They do have a habit of disappearing when you're not looking Very Happy
  Throttle body inlet manifold - I stuck mine down with Threebond as a 'belt-and-braces' safety measure.
4. Don't you need the crankcase to airbox breather pipe as well (ENA60480)? This is another item that I'd consider getting two of; regretably they don't seem to last very long.
5. Fuel lines: your local autoshop will be able to help there. 8mm x 13mm lines are okay.

Also, check the vacuum hose to pressure regulator pipe (FUA45323).

Can't think of anything else... Anyone?


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3Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Wed May 30, 2018 8:48 am

Rick G

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For clamps the Suzuki ones are the go

48mm Suzuki band clamp   09402-48208 for TB->bushings and bushings->air plenum connections.  Cost about $4.75 each. not sure if the price is USD AUD or even current


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4Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Wed May 30, 2018 9:45 am

duck

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$4.75 for a hose clamp? Did Suzuki hire the pricing manager away from BMW?

I use generic hose clamps - but they need to be ones with a narrow band to fit the groove on the BMW rubber boots.




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5Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Wed May 30, 2018 3:17 pm

George_Pap

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Dai wrote:1. You don't need Oetiker clamps. You can use worm drives (jubilee clips). Just be careful not to foul the throttle quadrant which will stop the throttle from closing. A lot of us have worm drives down there now.
2. No... but the repair should last for quite a few years / kms.
3. A couple of questions:
  Why do you need the injector clips? Unless yours are really rusty, they're reusable.
  I'd get a couple of sets of the rubber vacuum caps. They do have a habit of disappearing when you're not looking Very Happy
  Throttle body inlet manifold - I stuck mine down with Threebond as a 'belt-and-braces' safety measure.
4. Don't you need the crankcase to airbox breather pipe as well (ENA60480)? This is another item that I'd consider getting two of; regretably they don't seem to last very long.
5. Fuel lines: your local autoshop will be able to help there. 8mm x 13mm lines are okay.

Also, check the vacuum hose to pressure regulator pipe (FUA45323).

Can't think of anything else... Anyone?

Dai i m getting the injector clips to replace the old ones. Its a minor cost so i try to gather any available part especially if cheap.
So i m droping the oetiker special clamps and heding to standard 48mm worm style from a local market.
And yes i will add the z-shaped breather hose as the vac to pressure reg hose.
Thank you!


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6Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Wed May 30, 2018 3:20 pm

George_Pap

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RicK G wrote:For clamps the Suzuki ones are the go

48mm Suzuki band clamp   09402-48208 for TB->bushings and bushings->air plenum connections.  Cost about $4.75 each. not sure if the price is USD AUD or even current

it should be AU $ otherwise Duck has a point about rhe exBMW pricing manager Smile
Thank you both!


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Inge K.

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George_Pap wrote:So i m droping the oetiker special clamps and heding to standard 48mm worm style from a local market.

Get some that is narrow enough to fit in the grooves in the rubber sleeves,
and when mounting...that they don't interfere With the trottel mechanism.


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8Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Wed May 30, 2018 4:02 pm

ReneZ

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The Suzuki ones will work, no worries.

Brgds, Rene


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9Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:39 am

George_Pap

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Everything went smooth and peacefully gentlemen. Really thank you all for your support. No more air leaks. 
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10Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:58 pm

Woodie

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"I use generic hose clamps"


Do you have a source Duck?  The width of the band seemed to be hard to find when I was looking online (admittedly I'm not the best person to find what I want on the interwebthingy)


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11Back to top Go down   Air Leak Fixing help needed Empty Re: Air Leak Fixing help needed Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:04 pm

Dai

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George_Pap wrote:Everything went smooth and peacefully gentlemen. Really thank you all for your support. No more air leaks. 
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That is seriously good news - thanks for letting us know, George! Very Happy Very Happy


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