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duck

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Let's suppose, hypothetically speaking of course, that one were to do something stupid in a parking lot and put their K down for a little nap.  As many of us know, this usually guarantees that the Z rack latch on the downside system case will pull its rivets out, leaving one with nothing holding the bottom of the case to the Z rack, thus allowing the case to bounce off at will and go far a tumble once one gets up to speed.

Let's also suppose that one is several days from home with no hardware store nearby to purchase a pop riveter and rivets to affect a proper repair. (As I've done in the past.)

It might help if one were fortunate enough to have some heavy duty 1/8" braided nylon cord that one could thread through the rivet holes and use to tie the bottom of the case to the Z rack. Then one could ride for several more days and make it home without having to worry about the case bouncing off.

Like so:

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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
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14 K1600GT
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charlie99

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Hypothetical "emergency" Z rack latch repair 112350

or a bit of wire off a nearby fence ...that's why I carry pliers in the tool kit ...those little spools of tie wire   are quite useful also

the fence wire fix was dramatically practiced by a few of the locals ,,,when on the way to a meet event ...a long way from home ...a bevel box stud to shock absorber broke - sheared off

thanks to quick thinking by our old bushy mate   Col ...a fix was in place that lasted many hundreds of kilometers

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'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%OHypothetical "emergency" Z rack latch repair Au-log10

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Bush engineering at it's best. mech Hypothetical "emergency" Z rack latch repair 112350
Regards Martin.


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4Back to top Go down   Hypothetical "emergency" Z rack latch repair Empty Stud failure on Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:47 am

brickrider2

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A question related to field repair:  Are the rear suspension studs across all the years of K-bike production liable to such failure?  Or, is this a problem that may happen to a limited period of years or models?   Question

    

blueeyedogre

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I always have a small roll of mechanic's wire and a spool of military paracord in my saddlebags. Saved my ass a few times over the years.

    

charlie99

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@brickrider2 wrote:A question related to field repair:  Are the rear suspension studs across all the years of K-bike production liable to such failure?  Or, is this a problem that may happen to a limited period of years or models?   Question

I don't think we have seen a restriction to year model for this happening

possibly due to - weight - road surface -shock absorber - speed combination over years causing metal fatigue

sidecar paul came up with a solution of a small bracket - brace that fits outside the shock absorber and mates to the metal work of the external of the bevel box , for which many of us are immensely grateful

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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%OHypothetical "emergency" Z rack latch repair Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

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Charlie, you failed to mention that after the bush repair on Rickmeister's yellow bike it continued at "slower"speeds...100kph. The actual break occurred at a considerable speed....up around 140 plus. RossKKo and I were first on scene with Rickmeister deciding it was time for a smoke, whilst his rear tyre and guard were also smoking.


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charlie99

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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%OHypothetical "emergency" Z rack latch repair Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

Point-Seven-five

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This is the first I've heard of this problem and must admit it's a little scary to consider having that stud fail at speed on some of the roads I travel on.  

With the price of a new stud an incredible bargain at only $4.71 in the U.S. it may be worth a few bucks and 15 minutes for some peace of mind.


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1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS
1988 K100RS SE

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1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

duck

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Back when I was a relative nOOb to K bike riding I didn't torque that nut enough for fear of stripping it.  About 8,000 miles later when the nut had left (unbeknownst to me) I had a HUGE man-eating pothole that blew the bottom of the shock off of the stud and left me stopped in the middle of the road with the rear end resting on the tire.

The bike was lowered enough so that I couldn't deploy the side stand to get off of the bike so I sat on my K75RT in the middle of the road until a car eventually came by that I flagged down and the two guys in the car helped me get it up on the center stand.  The stud was bent and I no longer had the nut so I used some paracord to tie the shock back onto the stud until I could slowly ride to the next town and find a B&B to stay for the night.  The next morning I went by a machine shop where they straightened out the stud a bit.  Fortunately I was in Canada so they had a metric nut to replace the lost one.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

charlie99

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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%OHypothetical "emergency" Z rack latch repair Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

robmack

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Last year, the left front frame bolt on my K75 snapped from fatigue, I ignored it for the rest of the riding season and only just repaired it this year. After this repair, I rode the bike for some few kilometers before I noticed the rear shock. I have a RAM shock and noticed that the lower shock mount had started to peel away from the rubber shock rubber. Half of the shock was off the rubber, much of it covering the lower mounting nut. I managed to get the shock off the bike and repaired the rubber (squeezed it together in a vice). to solve the problem, I purchased and installed a flat washer on the outside of the shock so that it captures the shock, much the same as Sidecar Paul's solution but without the support. I have to make one of those Sidecar Paul brackets some day.


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charlie99

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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%OHypothetical "emergency" Z rack latch repair Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

Dai

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@robmack wrote: I purchased and installed a flat washer on the outside of the shock so that it captures the shock, much the same as Sidecar Paul's solution but without the support.
I always mount shocks like that, whatever bike they are on. In the UK it's called a 'penny washer' or (less often) a 'repair washer'; officially it's a 'Form D' washer. It just looks a lot tidier to me as a good stainless steel one neatly covers up the rubber. I put one either side of the mounting eyes.


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indian036

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@Dai wrote:
@robmack wrote: I purchased and installed a flat washer on the outside of the shock so that it captures the shock, much the same as Sidecar Paul's solution but without the support.
I always mount shocks like that, whatever bike they are on. In the UK it's called a 'penny washer' or (less often) a 'repair washer'; officially it's a 'Form D' washer. It just looks a lot tidier to me as a good stainless steel one neatly covers up the rubber. I put one either side of the mounting eyes.
Called a mudguard washer in Oz, though actually more useful as a mudflap washer. 

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

TacKler

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Funny about that Bill, as I have always known them as penny washers.


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indian036

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@TacKler wrote:Funny about that Bill, as I have always known them as penny washers.
Makes sense if you consider drilling a hole in the penny, pre 1966, for the purpose. Smile  Maybe not strong enough for the suspension purpose though.
Packet labelling in Bunnings etc. says mudguard washer, and that's all I've ever seen them labelled as.

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

robmack

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@indian036 wrote:
Called a mudguard washer in Oz, though actually more useful as a mudflap washer. 
In Canada, large washers are called "fender washers"; very similar to the Oz reference.


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I had that happen on the K1100LT at Christmas and luckily noticed the lock had pulled away from the pannier. The rivets break but that means no expensive damage.

I eventually found a 3.2mm rivet does the job and actually had some at home.

But BMW sell the rivet set as a part no, full set for all the rivets on a pannier and I bought 2 sets. One lives in the bike in case of a repeat and my advice is get a few of the rivets as you will let it over some time. You will always find someone with a rivet gun.


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1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 105,200 miles
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