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K bike locks are pretty simple when it gets right down to it.  Five little springy wafers that slide to allow a key to turn when inserted and then one at the end to hold the lock core in the lock.

Here's a system case lock core as an example:

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A common lost key problem is getting the gas cap open non-destructively.

Poking around on eBay I find this $7 shipped lock picking "gun" and on a lark am tempted to give it a whirl as an experiment.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Strong-Lock-Pick-Gun-Padlock-Repair-Tools-Kit-Door-Opener-Key-Locksmith-Swank/173302289420

Anybody here ever tried something like this to get a gas cap open?


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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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RicK G

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It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I shall await your report.


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Could work


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'Master' locks are not known for their security. Look them up.


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charlie99

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yep thatll work

the most important part is the amount of pressure on the turner ( the lever that fits into the bottom of the lock core )

not too much pressure is the secret , and hopefully the springs are still springing , many of the wafers in locks tend to bind with poor - no lubrication for years and years
quite a cheep tool ...hmmm
good luck


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I'm very interested to see if it works. I had a fuel cap refuse to open, but as a pin on the end of the barrel had broken off the only solution was to drill a hole in the cap. I had a look at a electric lock picker approx. $65.00 AU to pick a keyless fuel cap as a replacement but ended up buying a cap of Graham Jays.

Regards Martin.


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My gas cap refused to open.

Drilled the relevant hole and popped it open.

Took of the entire gas capp assembly and removed the three screws on the inside of the flip cap.

Clean out swarf and then put key in, filed off the protruding tabs by using a junior hacksaw, checked it all worked perfectly and reassembled it.

Perfect solution and only used 1 mug of tea.


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1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 42,640 miles.

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@92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:
Drilled the relevant hole and popped it open.

Do you have a good picture of exactly where you drilled the hole?  I (and others I assume) would be interested in seeing it.  The concept is to get access to push back the metal tab that holds the front of the gas cap down, right?


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

MartinW

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I did mine as a temporary stop gap measure while I sourced a replacement cap. You need to drill a 6-8mm hole drill and then use a small screw driver to push back the catch. Even though I have sourced a new cap I am still using the modified cap after I replaced a broken pin on the tumbler mechanism. I drilled out the broken off pin and replaced it with a piece of pop rivet shaft which I then glued in. The hole drilled into the cap was filled with a plastic push in plug sourced from local car part shop.
Regards Martin.
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Here's the link to the posts regarding drilling a hole in the gas/petrol cap/lid/thingo.


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@charlie99 wrote:many of the wafers in locks tend to bind with poor - no lubrication for years and years

No kidding,  I've taken my share of K locks apart and some have quite a lot of "microdust" in them and whatever grease BMW used seems to get quite stiff in some locks.  So I think a day or two of penetrating oil might be appropriate before trying to pick these locks.

After doing some research I came to the conclusion that a good way to start might be to try what are called auto jiggler keys so a picked up a set from Taiwan for about $5.

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I'll give them a whirl when they show up and report back.

(Over the years I've collected some 100-odd different K bike keys and usually if I try all of them in a lock I can find a key that will work but every now and then I come across a K lock that I don't have a key for.)


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

Two Wheels Better

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When I bought the Mystic a coupla years ago it came without keys. In the back of the pickup I brought it home in, I drove to a local dealership which I knew had a large tray full of spare, single sided keys. They also have a tub of double sided keys for Oilheads, etc. Standing in the back of the ute under the sunshine of a beautiful, Washington Summer arvo I reached in and tried every key, of about three hundred. The pile grew smaller with every reject. Down in the dusty bottom were just two keys remaining. The second to the last key fit snugly, reluctantly turned halfway, then stopped. A wiggle back and forth and, Houston, we have ignition. A quick file across the ridges and valleys and Bob's yer uncle. Lubing the lock cylinder later on was the icing on the cake.
cheers

That last key didn't fit.

There are quite a fair number of codes.


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@Two Wheels Better wrote:That last key didn't fit.
Damn. You just spoiled a perfectly good 'so the last key you tried worked' joke. Sad


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I just scored a nice 22L top case on eBay.  I sat down on the couch last night with a beer and my bucket of keys expecting it to take a while. Imagine my surprise when the third key I tried on it worked. cheers


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

Point-Seven-five

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A month or so ago, I got a great deal on a pair of keyless city cases.  Unpacked them in the garage and grabbed the ignition key from the closest bike to see if it would work.

And it did!!!


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1992 BMW K100RS
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1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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A few years ago one of my pannier tumblers fell out. I managed to score a complete set of tumblers from the UK for around $70.00 AU. I was prepared to redo the locks to fit my original key but it fitted. Any real or amateur locksmiths here? 723598 I tried my key in a mates panniers R100 and it also fitted, my key also opens another mates K75 panniers. Any real or amateur locksmiths here? 610153  I've yet to try it in their ignitions. Any real or amateur locksmiths here? 652573 I did buy a 22Lt top box but I had to rekey it, you can't win all the time just most of the time.
Regards Martin.


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@Point-Seven-five wrote:A month or so ago, I got a great deal on a pair of keyless city cases.  Unpacked them in the garage and grabbed the ignition key from the closest bike to see if it would work.

And it did!!!

A lot of times the locks on side cases have been filed down by a previous owner to work with their ignition key.  My city cases work with just about any key - which is nice since I can use them on any of my bikes and not have to worry about it.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

Two Wheels Better

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Once upon a time in a BMW dealership, there was a mechanic who used to put the lock cylinders together for customers. In order to speed up the process when multiple locks needed to be keyed, he'd put only so many tumblers into them. It meant "almost" anyone's key would fit, but hey, BMW people are honest.


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1970 R60/5, OZ '77 R75/7-R100, '85 K100'87 K75C, OZ '87 K100RS, '93 K11-K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100-Mystic, '96 K1100RS, '98 K1200RS, '00 K1200RS, '02 K1200RS, '03 K1200GT, '04 R1150R'04 R1150RT, '05 K1200S, '06 K1200R, '07 K1200R, '09 K1300GT & 2013 R1200RT-P  - Beemers owned still or sold.

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@Two Wheels Better wrote:Once upon a time in a BMW dealership, there was a mechanic who used to put the lock cylinders together for customers. In order to speed up the process when multiple locks needed to be keyed, he'd put only so many tumblers into them. It meant "almost" anyone's key would fit, but hey, BMW people are honest.

And if somebody REALLY wants to steal or break into your cases all they need is a screwdriver to pop the latches off of their rivets.  Locks really just prevent lazy thieves from stealing or make more determined thieves have to exert some effort.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

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