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1Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:37 am

Felow

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Trying to restore a 1989 K100RS that has been standing still for 10 years and have run into some problems on the way.

Thins I've done so far is:


  1. Change all the fuel lines
  2. New fuel pump and fuel filter
  3. Oil change
  4. New fuel injectors(The old ones didn't work anymore)
  5. Cleaned the throttle body
  6. New spark plugs DPR8EA-9 ( not sure these are correct?)


Now the problem is when I start it after it has been standing still for a couple of days it backfires and then gas comes dripping out of the exhaust.
This is where I am stuck at the moment and would like some feedback.

Also, I am unsure of the spark plug wires are correct since I accidentally took them off without marking the order of them. But I have got the bike running with only using starting gas.

    

2Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:56 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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If yours is a 16v engine then plug with R in it is correct as it uses resistor plugs. If its a 2v then use plugs without R, they don't use resistor plugs.

I am guessing here but wonder are you getting gas pressure too high due to a faulty fuel pressure regulator. This is in between the throttle bodies and airbox on 2v engines, with a vacuum line from the end of the throttle bodies beside the coils that is routed into it. If that's cracked no vacuum, bad running and fuel pressure way too high. You also have 3 vacuum caps.....again same effect.

But standing a few days and gas coming out is also possibly suggesting an alternative of fuel leaking in.....injectors are normally the only way that happens, as in stuck open. Pull plugs before firing up and check each cylinder....should all be clear at that point.

One could ask what injectors you replaced the original ones with?


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 42,640 miles.

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

3Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:14 am

MartinW

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A faulty temperature sensor or bad connection can cause over fueling. There is a procedure for testing on this site. Try starting the bike with # 6 Kraffstoppe fuse removed, you will have to manipulate the throttle. It should start but run badly and as the engine starts to die ram the fuse back in. It helps if you have two people one on the throttle and one on the fuse.

Regards Martin.


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4Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:27 am

Felow

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Thanks, Olaf, my bike is an 8 valve engine so I will go and get new spark plugs.

And I have already gone over and checked for cracks but maybe have to do that again so I can rule that out.

The gas only starts leaking when I am trying to start it otherwise there is no leakage.

I got used fuel injectors from a used K100 that was in working condition.



I will try that out as well Martin!

    

5Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:24 am

duck

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D7EA is the correct plug for a 2V K100.

What Martin said about bad or poorly connected temp sensor causing overfueling.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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6Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:05 am

norton71

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Backfiring and fuel in the exhaust?
 ...I trust you are not twisting the throttle whilst trying to start a fuel injected bike....don't touch the  throttle at all!, just hit the start button (with the fast idle/choke set on the first notch) Smile

    

7Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:13 am

duck

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Fuel leaking from exhaust JXVjjnq


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

8Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:04 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Getting at the temp sensor will also tick off a few other jobs like cleaning and flushing the rad/cooling system, checking the fan, cleaning filler cap, cleaning out a few other electrical connections under the tank.......


I could have said you just need to take off the rad.....


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 42,640 miles.

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

9Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:21 pm

Felow

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Thanks for the help, will get back as soon as I have tried everything you have said.

    

10Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:32 pm

Two Wheels Better

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A local aftermarket BMW tech had a K75 in his shop recently that would piss fuel when cranking. He looked at 'everything' and was quite frustrated. Turned out to be a loose connector plug up to the AFM unit and a slightly sticking flap. Runs a charm after a bit of fiddling.


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11Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:09 am

Felow

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@MartinW wrote:A faulty temperature sensor or bad connection can cause over fueling. There is a procedure for testing on this site. Try starting the bike with # 6 Kraffstoppe fuse removed, you will have to manipulate the throttle. It should start but run badly and as the engine starts to die ram the fuse back in. It helps if you have two people one on the throttle and one on the fuse.

Regards Martin.
I think i have found the problem now. I removed the fuse as you sugggested and gave it a lite throttle then it started after a couple of tries but died directly after a few seconds. Also as soon as the fuse was back in it started to drip gas again but once removed it stopped. So im guessing the problem lies there somewhere. What would the next step be?

    

12Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:38 pm

MartinW

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Clean the temperature sensor connector, mine played up twice until I cleaned it properly with DeoxIT. Due to it's location it is a pain to get to and is subjected to road spray. I also smeared dielectric grease around the connector to stop water ingress and exclude air that leads to corrosion. If that doesn't work you need to test the sensor.
Fuel leaking from exhaust K100_t10 Regards Martin.


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13Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Fuel leak Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:13 pm

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Last edited by daveyson on Wed May 06, 2020 6:07 am; edited 4 times in total (Reason for editing : Culled the crap out of it.)

    

14Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:02 pm

duck

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It's not THAT hard to get to the temp sensor.  You just need to get the air box out of that way.

http://www.kbikeparts.com/classickbikes.com/ckb.tech/0.ckb.tech.files/maf/maf.htm


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

15Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:18 am

Laitch

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@Felow wrote:This is where I am stuck at the moment and would like some feedback.

I am unsure of the spark plug wires are correct since I accidentally took them off without marking the order of them.
Once you have installed the correct plugs with correct gaps and connected them correctly according to duck's diagram in post #7, one relatively simple task is to disconnect the fuel pressure regulator's vacuum hose to check it for the presence of fuel. That would indicate a diaphragm leak which could cause a rich running condition, as Olaf indicated in post #2.

Carefully pull it from its connection at the throttle body indicated by the red arrow on the photo.

Fuel leaking from exhaust K100_f11



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16Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:29 am

Point-Seven-five

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If you have OEM plug wires with the metal caps, you can read the cylinder numbers printed on the wire.  #1 is the front.


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1988 K100RS SE

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1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

17Back to top Go down   Fuel leaking from exhaust Empty Re: Fuel leaking from exhaust Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:47 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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If in doubt, the coil nearest the front is for cylinder 1 and 4, both these leads spark at same time every stroke, doesn't matter if you mix up 1 and 4 as its got what is called wasted spark. If my memory is correct no 4 is actually a long lead that loops around not 2 plug and then comes back to no 4.

The coil nearest rear wheel is for 2 and 3 and same applies. Doesn't matter if you mix up 2 and 3.


__________________________________________________
1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 42,640 miles.

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

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