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1Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Motoscope pro Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:29 pm

K100uk

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Hi I'm just wondering if anyone has some information on fitting a motoscope pro in conjunction with a maru labs bep3.0 unit? Is it possible at all?
From what I hear there's difficulty getting the speed etc to show?
If anyone has any details that would be great I'm struggling finding many answers I need. I see you can buy breakout box's for the motoscope but this doesn't cover all the inputs you need.
Many thanks

    

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3Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Re: Motoscope pro Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:36 pm

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Yes, it's possible! I installed the BEP 3.0 and Motoscope Pro + Breakout Box B. I did this on my current 93 K1100 LT project. It might vary across K models though. For me, the speedo was the easy one. It was practially plug and play. It was then just a matter of calibrating the wheel circumference per the instructions. The speed readout was spot on as I was able to test with one illuminated speed signs that displays your current speed as you pass them on the road. I do plan on performing a total custom rewire of the bike at some point. I feel like the BEP might be just a kind of quick fix for now just to keep things going until I get to the rewire stage. It might not be needed at the end, but I'll figure that one out when I get there.

I had trouble with the tach. I purchased the Motogadget RPM sensor (https://motogadget.com/shop/en/accessories/sensors.html?___store=en/) in order to pickup a good signal. I'll eventually revisit to lessen the additional sensor and clean things up a bit. Another issue I'm experiencing is that it seems that it seems the coolant temp is reading far too high. I'm using the stock sensor at the moment. I'll be experimenting to verify.

As for the fuel gauge I needed to perform surgery. That is to say removal of the fuel sender assembly out of the tank, flip the board that is wrapped in a wire that a armature sweeps across and use fine grit sand paper to remove the coating. This process makes the stock fuel sensor compatible with modern digital fuel gauges. Trust me, it's a lot easier than it sounds. Here's the post on this forum: https://www.k100-forum.com/t9265-messing-with-the-in-tank-fuel-sender

But with the speedo, tach and fuel gauge working, I called it good enough to take on the road. The additional readouts I can add and adjust later.

    

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Wow thanks for this info keep me updated I will be attempting this in the next few weeks myself

    

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No problem! Happy to have a community such as this. I have gained a ton of knowledge through these forums, so I'm happy to return the favor. Trying not to hijack the topic, I'm actually in the midst of a another area of the project. Finished off the rear hoop with an inlaid LED taillight/turn signal combo. Putting the final touches on the custom fiberglass seat pan to hand it off to the upholster. Hopefully this week!

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Mjones866, I'm hoping you are still reading these posts. I am converting a 1985 k100 and using the motoscope pro, bep 3.0 and breakoutbox b. How did you wire your fuel sensor? Did you hook the modified(post surgery fuel sensor) to the BAR on the BEP or to the "fuel" location on the breakout box? Similar question with oil and water temp.  Thankyou!

    

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pwfree wrote:.Similar question with oil and water temp.  Thankyou!
 If you want oil pressure, then connect Brown/Green (Pin 11) from the OEM gauge to the Motoscope indicator you want to use to show too low oil pressure.  If you want oil temperature, then you'll have to buy and install an oil temperature sensor that fits in place of the oil pan drain plug.  You can then wire that directly to the Motoscope oil temperature input (if it has one).  

If you are after water temperature, then you;ll have to purchase a compatible water temperature sensor (BMW 62 16 1 459 270) which gets installed in the water pump.  You can then wire that sensor to your Motoscope water temp input (if it has one).  You'll have to ensure that the range of the sensor is compatible with the Motoscope input, and you'll have to ensure that the sensor is the correct physical size so that it does not interfere with the impeller in the pump.


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Hey there @pwfree! I'm still here and working on my K project as I have time.

I actually ditched the BEP 3.0 early in my build since I didn't find it necessary. I found that the only reason I kept it on board was for the alternator exciter circuit which I wired a resistor in line and connected the exciter line to a +12v source on the M-Unit Blue. I have completely rewired the bike removed the bulk of the OEM electronics including the Motronic since the wiring of this post.


But to directly answer your question, you hook the fuel sensor signal (post the modification for digital gauges) to the Breakoutbox B's "FUEL" input. Check your model year's Clymer's for the following wiring colors. I'm not sure if '85 K100s came with a fuel switch or a variable sender. As I'm not as familiar with the wiring of the fuel sender (or switch) on a '85 K100. The below is based on my '93 K1100.


FUEL SENDER CONNECTOR FROM THE TANK:

Fuel Level Signal  ––– Yellow ---> Connect this to "FUEL" on the Breakoutbox B.
Low Fuel Indicator ––– White  ---> You could leave this wire floating or wire it to an external light. I have it floating.
+12v Power         ––– Black
Ground             ––– Brown


Keep in mind that you will need to calibrate the empty reading and the full reading manually in the Motoscope Pro settings per the manual.

Oil pressure input: The oil pressure switch which is located at the water pump and runs up through the channel from the HES sensor. This should be a single wire, connect this to the "OIL PRES." input at the BreakoutBox. 

Water Temp Sensor: I used the temp sensor at the water pump and ran the wire to "H20 TEMP." on the Breakoutbox B This is how it's set up OEM on the K lunchbox. The second H20 sensor at the top of the engine just under the radiator runs to the Motronic (I have this running to the Microsquirt). 

Then for the Motoscope Pro to get all these signals is the orange wire from the Motoscope to the "BUS" input at the Breakoutbox B.

H20 TEMP SIDE NOTE: I think that there might be a need to add a resistor(s) inline before the connection to the Motoscope Pro to adjust the temp reading accurately. But I haven't quite landed on if this is actually needed. Reason being, The temp sensor at the water pump gives a different reading than the water temp sensor that goes to the ECU (but accurate) from what I can tell viewing what the Microsquirt is reading. 

I don't know how far you are wanting to go in the wiring of your K, but I found that the BEP 3.0 was just taking up room for only for using the alternator charging circuit functionality. Since you are going with the Motoscope Pro, your gear indication is actually programmed once you are riding except for the neutral light. I've left my gear indicator/neutral switch wiring from the transmission floating until I build a logic circuit to detect ground when only in neutral. This isn't a priority for my project at the moment. 

I hope this helps! As robmack mentioned, you'll need to test to sure your sensors are compatible. I was lucky and everything seemed to work as expected.

Sorry if this was more info than you were expecting.

    

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Thanks everyone for the inputs, I will let you know as I work it through!

    

10Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Re: Motoscope pro Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:00 am

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Hello everyone,

I hope you will bé able to help me.

I have installés on m'y k1100 96's a motoscope pro with a blue m unit. 

Actually i have two issues :

The speedo and the neutral/Gear indicatif doesn t work.

I found a board for the neutral light but im not sûre it will resolve my Gear indicator.
About the speedo i don t want as possible, use the motoscope magnet.

Can you tell me what are my solutions ?

I understand the tgpi board is no long available and the BEP 3 IS toi expansive just to solve this 2 issues. 

One of the member on this thread succeed to dich the BEP.

I would like to know how please ?

Sorry about my english im french  Very Happy

Thanks everyone

    

11Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Re: Motoscope pro Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:12 am

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Hi,  I've resumed building the TGPI board so if you want one, please get in touch with me.


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12Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Re: Motoscope pro Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:46 am

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I actually did not have issues connecting the OEM speed sensor directly to the Motoscope Pro’s speed input. I believe it’s important that the Motoscope Pro and the OEM speed sensor share the same ground. But I’ll need to confirm this.

I haven’t come up with a good solution for the neutral indicator myself. I briefly thought about a simple transistor or relay circuit that switches to ground. Also, I think I have ran across an article of others dismantling the OEM lunchbox and extracted the board which provides the logic for the neutral switch.

Not sure if this an option for your build, but leon83 modified the gear indicator switch since he suspected it was already broken and only needed the neutral position, which is only what is needed for the Motoscope Pro. https://www.k100-forum.com/t12412-neutral-light-gear-position-switch-fix

Honestly I think I like the method of modifying the OEM neutral switch rather than adding an additional electronics appliance.

    

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mjones866 wrote:I actually did not have issues connecting the OEM speed sensor directly to the Motoscope Pro’s speed input. I believe it’s important that the Motoscope Pro and the OEM speed sensor share the same ground. But I’ll need to confirm this.
I am quite surprised that you are having success directly connecting the OEM speed sensor to the gauge.  It is a variable reluctance sensor with two wires.  The output from the sensor is generally 1.5V - 2V. The Motoscope Pro manual specifically states: "Two wire hall sensors are not compatible with the motoscope PRO.".  Modern gauges like the Motoscope want at least +5V input which is why they supply a three wire sensor, one wire of which is connected to +12V to ensure that signal level. The OEM speed sensor board in the OEM cluster boosts the VR signal to +10V which is compatible.


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I’ll take a hard look at the hardware that was send with my Motoscope Pro to verify if they sent a 3 wire speed sensor but I haven’t seen one. It may be an additional add on.  All I have are 2 wire and even in the Motoscope manuals they diagram a 2 wire sensor switching to ground it looks like.

I just tested my 93’ K1100. Now my OEM sensor might be going bad, so it’s not giving me a signal on the Motoscope when spinning the rear wheel. But when I remove it and touch a flat head screw driver to the magnet, I’m seeing a MPH speed reading on the Motoscope. And I can confirm that withy OEM 93 K1000 the OEM speed sensor is wired such that the OEM brown wire is grounded while the OEM yellow (signal) from the speed sensor wire is going straight to the Motoscope pro speed input.

Maybe there’s a speed sensor difference between the 96 and 93 I’m just not aware of. My apologies if the equipment has changed between these years.



Last edited by mjones866 on Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:50 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Incorrect terminology)

    

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mjones866 wrote:I actually did not have issues connecting the OEM speed sensor directly to the Motoscope Pro’s speed input. I believe it’s important that the Motoscope Pro and the OEM speed sensor share the same ground. But I’ll need to confirm this.
 I try connecting directly the oem speed sensor to the motoscope pro and also with the oem moto meter on the lauchbox (Ref : 62111459921) to amplify the signal sending 6 pulses per rotation at 5V.

Any of these 2 options worked...

Maybe you succeed with differents settings on the motoscope pro ?
In my case i set the rear tire circumference and the pulses per rotation (6) but maybe i need to try the "teach speed" option ?

    

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robmack wrote:Hi,  I've resumed building the TGPI board so if you want one, please get in touch with me.

Hello,

The TGPI will fix the speed and gear indicator / Neutral light right ?

    

17Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Re: Motoscope pro Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:04 pm

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Correct.  It will do all that.
Features
  • Reads the Transmission Gear Position Indicator switch on the back of the transmissionand displays the currently selected gear in a display
  • Interface to several types of displays
  • Senses neutral gear and enables the start circuit on the bike
  • Active-low Neutral light is switched through an on-board transistor
  • Reads the OEM road speed sensor and conditions the signal for use with an aftermarketspeedometer
  • Auto cancels the turn signal indicators after the motorcycle has travelled a distance ofapproximately 200 meters.
  • Accepts engine RPM input and conditions the signal to be compatible with aftermarketgauges that have a built-in tachometer


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18Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Re: Motoscope pro Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:00 pm

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mjones866 wrote:Oil pressure input: The oil pressure switch which is located at the water pump and runs up through the channel from the HES sensor. This should be a single wire, connect this to the "OIL PRES." input at the BreakoutBox. 
 Hi @mjones866

About the oil pressure i have also an issue.

I connect the single wire to the oil pressure input of the breakout box but still have the red light blinking.

Any Idea ? Thanks

    

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Is it blinking without the bike running? If this is the case, it will blink until it reads the operating pressure of the engine when it's started and running then the light will turn off. 

Also this single light will read warnings from the other sensors connected to the BreakoutBox. It's a global warning light indicator from the multiple sensor inputs.

To troubleshoot, if you have other sensors connected, disconnect all of them except for the sensor to the OIL PRES input. Then start the bike and the light should turn off once the pressure increases. If it still is throwing a warning, you may have a faulty oil pressure sensor or may need to clean the connections. It can get very grubby down below at the water/oil pump.

    

20Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Re: Motoscope pro Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:33 pm

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Assieron wrote:Hello everyone,

I hope you will bé able to help me.

I have installés on m'y k1100 96's a motoscope pro with a blue m unit. 

Actually i have two issues :

The speedo and the neutral/Gear indicatif doesn t work.

I found a board for the neutral light but im not sûre it will resolve my Gear indicator.
About the speedo i don t want as possible, use the motoscope magnet.

Can you tell me what are my solutions ?

I understand the tgpi board is no long available and the BEP 3 IS toi expansive just to solve this 2 issues. 

One of the member on this thread succeed to dich the BEP.

I would like to know how please ?

Sorry about my english im french  Very Happy

Thanks everyone



Just verified that the OEM speed sensor at the final drive of my 93' K1100 registers a MPH signal back to the Motoscope Pro seen here: https://youtu.be/lul4cuB6tik

    

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You will need a break out box for the motogadget pro you've got a choice of 2 the basic one is all you need for our bikes. I removed the existing gear indicator switch and replaced it with a ip rated microswitch mounted to a alloy plate neutral was all I wanted and as for the speedo I used the Reed switch supplied with the pro all worked out for me

    

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23Back to top Go down   Motoscope pro Empty Re: Motoscope pro Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:03 am

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mjones866 wrote:Is it blinking without the bike running? If this is the case, it will blink until it reads the operating pressure of the engine when it's started and running then the light will turn off. 

Also this single light will read warnings from the other sensors connected to the BreakoutBox. It's a global warning light indicator from the multiple sensor inputs.
I need to check if the blinking begins once the ignition on. But the other sensors connected might be the issue. I need to check if the oil temperature wire is connected. Thanks for the tips.

    

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Jibe wrote:You will need a break out box for the motogadget pro you've got a choice of 2 the basic one is all you need for our bikes. I removed the existing gear indicator switch and replaced it with a ip rated microswitch mounted to a alloy plate neutral was all I wanted and as for the speedo I used the Reed switch supplied with the pro all worked out for me
You re talking about the magnet supplied with the motoscope pro Right ? I ll prefer not to use it cause i want to avoid to add more wires. But if it this the cheaper way i may do a compromise. Also what kind of microswitch are you talking about ? Do you have extra informations ?

    

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mjones866 wrote:
Just verified that the OEM speed sensor at the final drive of my 93' K1100 registers a MPH signal back to the Motoscope Pro seen here: https://youtu.be/lul4cuB6tik
 Realy surprise !!!

Have you done the teach speed ? or use the IMpE ?

    

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That speedo is all over the place. I've put the Reed switch to the front wheel and ran the cable along the brake line and it looks OK bearing in mind I'm very fussy. As for the microswitch any ip/ waterproof miniature switch work, good old ebay is place to look

    

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