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tinyspuds

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I have just acquired an RS in boxes. Looking through the forum I see that the RS fairing with RT bars has been used by others. I have leading links on my RT which are very light steering with the RT bars just wondering what my options might be. (Purely cosmetic but the RS has matching bodywork: fairing, tank, and seat/tail - which my RT does not...)
Anyone use RS bars with a chair?


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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I've got a wheelchair but it's not a K.....


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tinyspuds

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@Arlina wrote:I've got a wheelchair but it's not a K.....
Mate, you’re not helping  RS with a chair 610153


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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I fixed a K11 with sidecar for someone, and rode it. Felt the need for the LT bars.
It was the first time I rode a K with sidecar, never seen a K sidecar with RS bard in Holland.


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@Arlina wrote:I fixed a K11 with sidecar for someone, and rode it. Felt the need for the LT bars.
It was the first time I rode a K with sidecar, never seen a K sidecar with RS bard in Holland.
Thanks A. Thought that might be the case. I might see how the RT Bars work with the RS fairing. One (distant) thought I have is to fit a Right hand chair and register it in mainland Europe.


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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Arlina

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Why a RHC?
Wanna live on the mainland?


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tinyspuds

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@Arlina wrote:Why a RHC?
Wanna live on the mainland?
Family might have a problem with that, but I have friends in Cadiz and Rhodes and have been thinking of a trip (but not on a LHC).


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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"Wanna live on the mainland?"

Yes please. 
Soon.


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Arlina

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Seems legit....


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10Back to top Go down   RS with a chair Empty Re: RS with a chair Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:14 am

DadofHedgehog

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@tinyspuds wrote:
Anyone use RS bars with a chair?

Yes, I do - K100RS 4-valver from 1991. However, my chair is a Flexit.


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1995 K75T.  I am the 3d owner.  Bought it in June 2019 with 6,242 miles on the odo.
1991 K100RS 4-valve attached to a 1990 Flexit sidecar. I am at least the 3d owner. Bought with 21,00+ miles on bike's odo.

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old (indeterminate age) Ural + sidecar
1997 Buell S3T Thunderbolt
1982 BMW R100CS
1974 Kawasaki KZ400
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If you plan to register a sidecar in mainland Europe, don't expect to do it in France. With a K, it will be impossible, unless you ask a maker to do it, providing its own sidecar and chassis. It costs around 15000€...
It seems to be the same problem in Spain, Germany, Italy.
Belgium could be the solution: adding a sidecar does not involves registering, it's like adding a top case or a windshield.
I love Belgium.

    

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tinyspuds

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@jbt wrote:If you plan to register a sidecar in mainland Europe, don't expect to do it in France. With a K, it will be impossible, unless you ask a maker to do it, providing its own sidecar and chassis. It costs around 15000€...
It seems to be the same problem in Spain, Germany, Italy.
Belgium could be the solution: adding a sidecar does not involves registering, it's like adding a top case or a windshield.
I love Belgium.
Thanks, I love Belgium too now. Just a bit of an ’out there’ idea atm I’d like to do the trip and looking for ways but Covid looks like it might be a bit too out there for a while. In the meantime I have boxes full of an RS jigsaw puzzle that starts with a tank full of 4 year old gas and no fuel cap key, so I’ll just start working through the assembly issues and see how things look going forward. I have another K, no complaints from me 😁😁😁


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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Not a K bike, but my 95 R100RT with a sidecar had the RT bars and a leading link front end. It worked well so I can't see why it wouldn't work on a K bike, the only issue being the clearance with the RT bars and the RS fairing. Likely somebody will come along with that set up, if not you'll have to try it. The RT bars are pulled back further so there may be enough clearance.
You likely won't be able to go lock to lock but then you can't do that with RT bars and a RT fairing.

    

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@cycleman wrote:
You likely won't be able to go lock to lock but then you can't do that with RT bars and a RT fairing.
since when ? 

properly setup , no issue here ....ever !

but a few have setup wider bars on an rs setup , with bar risers and setback ,  i had an issue with wide bars and the master cylinder hitting the lower rs screen - fairing part , so shortened the master cylinder reserve reservoir height some what , seems to work well    full lock , either way , no issues


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'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%ORS with a chair Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
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@tinyspuds wrote:
@jbt wrote:If you plan to register a sidecar in mainland Europe, don't expect to do it in France. With a K, it will be impossible, unless you ask a maker to do it, providing its own sidecar and chassis. It costs around 15000€...
It seems to be the same problem in Spain, Germany, Italy.
Belgium could be the solution: adding a sidecar does not involves registering, it's like adding a top case or a windshield.
I love Belgium.
Thanks, I love Belgium too now. Just a bit of an ’out there’ idea atm I’d like to do the trip and looking for ways but Covid looks like it might be a bit too out there for a while. In the meantime I have boxes full of an RS jigsaw puzzle that starts with a tank full of 4 year old gas and no fuel cap key, so I’ll just start working through the assembly issues and see how things look going forward. I have another K, no complaints from me 😁😁😁
For the missing gas tank cap key....no parts needed!!

https://www.k100-forum.com/t9469-open-a-petrol-tank-cap-which-has-a-broken-lock


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 39.885miles.

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Thanks Olaf, yup my first job after I make some space to organise everything (1st job  after I change the B/pads on Mrs Spuds’ car).

Already did this mod on my RT, ‘excited’ about what I’ll find inside.


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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Hi tinyspuds, I've been using RS bars on my RS outfit for a mere 32 years without feeling the need for anything wider, if I were you I'd try the RS bars before going to the trouble of changing them.

Paul.


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@sidecar paul wrote:Hi tinyspuds, I've been using RS bars on my RS outfit for a mere 32 years without feeling the need for anything wider, if I were you I'd try the RS bars before going to the trouble of changing them.

Paul.
Thanks Paul. Stu


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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I ran the wider RS bars (16v/1100RS) mounted on barbacks for quite a few years, they were fine.  I now have RT/LT bars fitted and it is better/less effort. Both with leading links fitted.

Al


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'92 K100RS-16v (Paint it Black)

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Thanks Al.


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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@charlie99 wrote:
@cycleman wrote:
You likely won't be able to go lock to lock but then you can't do that with RT bars and a RT fairing.
since when ? 

properly setup , no issue here ....ever !

but a few have setup wider bars on an rs setup , with bar risers and setback ,  i had an issue with wide bars and the master cylinder hitting the lower rs screen - fairing part , so shortened the master cylinder reserve reservoir height some what , seems to work well    full lock , either way , no issues
Hi Charlie, I know you’re right (it’s a K!). Nonetheless, I can’t get full lock in either direction on mine. I think over 37 years the cabling, both bowden and electrical - esp. on the right side - has just got knitted into a lump that restricts the free movement of each component. I have certainly contributed to this with the extra kit I have added into the fairing. I’m going to tackle this as my last planned lockdown maintenance. I’ve seen some pics here and there but nothing that shows what should, and should not be routed through the metal arc between the two instrument cluster bolts. ATM my clutch cable goes through this, which is just plain wrong, as turning the bars right sets up a scissor action between the mount and the fairing. I will fix this too but do you or anyone have clear pics of the whole OEM arrangement of cables through the forks and also the routes thru the plastic water barriers on each side of the headstock? Sometimes Elbow Grease just won’t do it. Cheers.


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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ill try and post clear pics for you in the coming days 

for both rt and rs versions ?


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%ORS with a chair Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

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tinyspuds

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Thanks Charlie, nice one. RT please 😀 Don’t bust a gut over it, I keep having to come in to warm up anyway.


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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hope this helps 

dont mind the corrosion and dirt , poor old Gerty needs a bit of tlc , perhaps later this year ?

RS with a chair 20210410

RS with a chair 20210411


RS with a chair 20210412


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%ORS with a chair Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

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Thanks Charlie, perfect.
The first thing I notice is that you haven’t kept the plastic triangles that screw into the headstock. They are defo part of my problem in that they concentrate the cable mass into that small outlet on each side. I’ve compounded that by routing heavily insulated cables for aftermarket satnav and heated grips thru the right side. 
You also seem to have more cable slack around the headstock than I do, I’ll have a go at relaxing mine a little. I suspect mine is suffering a bit from the sub frame and leading link install which was done by a sidecar pro (but not neccessarily a K pro). There’s a case for disconnecting everything and refitting properly but for me the cons of that outweigh the pros. 
I assumed the plastic covers were water protection for the under tank electrics, so I’ll have a think about those too and keep tweaking. 
Thanks again, Stu.


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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the around headstock covers were only removed recently , well sort of recently and everything you see gets held back under those covers  and fits well 

yes , most of the electrics go via the left hand side route 
most important is to get the clutch cable into the nick on top of the radiator  to the right of  the frame to radiator mounting bolt 


cheers


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%ORS with a chair Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

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Here's a photo of an RT from the front. I do think the clutch cable goes through the arch, it's the cable with the white writing in it. The wires outside the arch are to the handlebars. All the others go through the arch I think,  at least on this one. RS with a chair Img_2029


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Another pic. 
RS with a chair Img_2030


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tinyspuds

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That’s interesting DS thanks. I’ll look again at mine as that route does look ‘natural’ but, of course, doesn’t have the fairing spider- which is what I’m fouling. 
Also, I’ve never found a way to use the ‘over the airbox’ clutch cable route from right to left that is as light as the ‘left side only’ route I use.
Maybe I’ll re visit that as I have pretty much everything else stripped out.

RS with a chair 3dd6e310


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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It goes in between the air box and the plenum chamber.RS with a chair Img_2031


Not sure if your saying you have an RS with an RT handlebar, that might mean the cables are short.


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 ~120,000 km
    

31Back to top Go down   RS with a chair Empty Chair Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:49 am

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How they sneak past behind the bracket near the filler cap area. RS with a chair Img_2032


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 ~120,000 km
    

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tinyspuds

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Apologies for the confusion. I have an RT with RT bars and cables. Thanks for the pix.


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106. (Not blind to the irony of an April 1 production date).
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
    

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