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1Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty ABS unit on Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:12 am

michaellaw

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hi every one well when I fixed my starter motor and put it back in (k1100lt) I had to remove the ABS unit and guess what I done [email=#@%&*#!%]#@%&*#!%[/email] stripped the thread on the unit that is feed by the rear master cylinder the ABS doesn't work anyway I was wondering if anyone has a buggered unit laying around they want to get rid of or is there any way I can bypass the whole lot of the misery riddled piece of tecno garbage that adds a kilo of weight ?

    

2Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:33 am

RicK G

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The master cylinders and calipers are the same so a rerouting of the brake lines will give brakes but of course not ABS.  Not sure if you would get a shagged unit to rob as I believe they are a non service item and don't come apart easily but I have had little to do with the ABSII  and that nay not be the case.


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3Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:52 am

zonenfeile

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Hm
 
 
I think it is a great invention for bikes
would not buy any bike without ABS anymore 
 
ABS is tecno garbage ??
only for those who don´t know how to handle it
 
I do not say that it is easy work - killed 1 ABS 2 unit myself
 
Pics:  killing me softly   and brain exchange ABS2


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4Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:05 am

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shame to hear Michael,it seems CF has the right idea, dismantling each year helps to keep bolts and connections free from seizing, so periodical maintenance is less of a n issue.
 I'll be going after my starter ( myself) in the next few months for a service on the brushes.
I've serviced the RT previously ,not fitted with ABS, in and out in a short time, about half an hour, no fuss.
an ex work colleague ( k1100) experienced a 3 hour session as his ABS was in the way, so I am hoping the LT with ABS doesn't provide too much of a hassle.
does anyone know if the 100LT is similar in layout to the RT, regarding ABS and starter motor?


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1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
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5Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:37 am

zonenfeile

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no ABS:    1/2 H incl 2 cigaretts
ABS1:       2,5 H
ABS2:       starterchange without removing the ABS is possible - but you need a lot of time and patience
               do not remove the Pipes from the unit !!!!!


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6Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:12 am

RicK G

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@zonenfeile wrote:Hm
 
 
I think it is a great invention for bikes
would not buy any bike without ABS anymore 
 
ABS is tecno garbage ??
only for those who don´t know how to handle it
 
I do not say that it is easy work - killed 1 ABS 2 unit myself
 
Pics:  killing me softly   and brain exchange ABS2
I agree all the way on the ABS Olaf once you learn how to adjust to riding with it and try using it as if you really need to stop (practice) then it is good gear and as you say I would not like to be without it now that I know what it is capable of letting you do to avoid a crash.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki
    

7Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:27 pm

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I could not disagree more strongly with the "ABS is a huge weight and bikes are better without it and I can outbrake ABS systems" comments which are regularly seen on motorcycle forums. There are exceptionally skilled race bike riders who can outbrake ABS but very few of us are exceptionally skilled race bike riders, I know I am not, and many racers use ABS now.

There was an interesting report a while back where IBMWR tested ABS http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/abstests.html which showed on wet slippery roads ABS does a great job at stopping a bike safely. It has saved my bacon more than once!

There is a member of our forum in Japan, Tosi Tabuki who fixes the K100 & K75 ABS brains who does a perfect job, mine failed, I researched on the Net and found him. I exchanged a few emails with him and then sent it to him and for a very reasonable price (way less than the cost of fixing up a dropped bike) he returned it to me perfect in every way and with a warranty.

Every time I ride my bike I think of him and how his technical expertise restored ABS to my bike and give thanks for his skill. http://bmwk10075abs1fix.web.fc2.com/ I am a very satisfied customer and now count him as a friend who looks after me when I ride.
Regards,
K-BIKE

    

8Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:20 am

AL-58

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@michaellaw wrote:hi every one well when I fixed my starter motor and put it back in (k1100lt) I had to remove the ABS unit and guess what I done [email=#@%&*#!%]#@%&*#!%[/email] stripped the thread on the unit that is feed by the rear master cylinder the ABS doesn't work anyway I was wondering if anyone has a buggered unit laying around they want to get rid of or is there any way I can bypass the whole lot of the misery riddled piece of tecno garbage that adds a kilo of weight ?
I don't have a buggered unit, but I do have a 100% functional ABS2 modulator from a '99 K1100LT that I have no use for. It is available if you're interested pm me.

Al


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9Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:34 am

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had the seat section exposed last weekend, so being inquisitive , I had a look at the starter /ABS layout.
I was so relieved that it is the same as the RT setup. there is no ABS components obstructing the pathway to the starter motor.
so when the time arises to service the brushes , I'll be in like Flynn.


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1987 K100RT  Ex- police        
1989 K100LT  Ol' Blue and "Kart" the Kamper trailer.  now KAPUT . 
1993 K1100RS  0194321         Colour #690 Silk Blue  aka " Smurfette"
2018 Kart upgrade.
ABS unit 10_x_110
    

10Back to top Go down   ABS unit Empty Re: ABS unit on Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:04 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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groverK wrote:shame to hear Michael,it seems CF has the right idea, dismantling each year helps to keep bolts and connections free from seizing, so periodical maintenance is less of a n issue.
 I'll be going after my starter ( myself) in the next few months for a service on the brushes.
I've serviced the RT previously ,not fitted with ABS, in and out in a short time, about half an hour, no fuss.
an ex work colleague ( k1100) experienced a 3 hour session as his ABS was in the way, so I am hoping the LT with ABS doesn't provide too much of a hassle.
does anyone know if the 100LT is similar in layout to the RT, regarding ABS and starter motor?
I have both 1984RT [no ABS] and 192 LT [ABS]now.

I had the starter out of the LT a few times without a bother. I did not move or take out any ABS components and was able to work around them without a bother. Just the usual removal of the battery and tray above it and the stuff in that.

I had some starting issues which were also pointed at the condition of the starter motor and so I took it out and dismantled it, just 2 long screws [mark the casing outside you re align the parts correctly when reassembling], cleaned everything thoroughly and put it back. Didn't solve the problem so did it a second time and the problem turned out to be something else. They are a savage price new for what is very little metal. Only bit inside that goes wrong are the brushes and a repair kit is available for them. There is an O ring, clean it all and protect it, a little oil when you put it back. You need to wriggle it a little to get it out and same to get it back in. When you take out the Allen screws it may need a little wedge off the base but be gentle,

There are only two Allen screws in the starter motor. But a little tip, if you can, access them early [few days before] give them and the electrical connection on top some WD40. With battery and stuff out of the way it comes out backwards quite easily, brake lines all stay undisturbed, its smaller than a can of coke. No need to take off fairing parts, tank or even go at it. When I took it out the second time, because it was so soon after the first I didn't take out the battery......just loosened it and moved it back by pushing toward the plastic mudguard

The thing is when you are doing it you will as with every K find some small little job that needs doing. So, I stripped and repainted battery plate as it was rusty, cleaned up some electrical connections. And make sure battery breather pipe goes back.


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1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 105,200 miles
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 36,188  miles
    

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