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1Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Rear master cylinder alternative on Wed May 20, 2015 10:04 pm

brianpen

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Rather than rebuilding my rear master cylinder on my 87 K100LT, I figure a newer replacement might be a better bet. When scanning ebay it appears many units from newer BMW's appear nearly identical. The R1150RT in particular. The pricing is much more reasonable. Has anyone swapped one of these or similar units? As it is a rear brake, I suppose optimum braking isn't crucial, after all I have been living with a wimpy K100 version for some time now.

    

2Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Thu May 21, 2015 1:30 am

Two Wheels Better

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The manner in which the piston is pulled and pressed by the brake pedal is different from other Beemers, even some other model Ks. I think you'll find that if you want original equipment operation you'll need an OEM-type master cylinder.


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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "What can I do to keep my life from going by so fast?" Then a voice comes to me that says, "Try slowing down at the corners." 

~Charlie Brown

1970 R60/5, '77 R75/7-R100, '85 K100'87 K75C, '87 K100RS, '93 K11-K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100-Mystic, '96 K1100RS, '98 K1200RS, '00 K1200RS, '02 K1200RS, '03 K1200GT, '04 R1150R'04 R1150RT, '05 K1200S, '06 K1200R, '07 K1200R, '09 K1300GT & 2013 R1200RT-Polizei  - Beemers owned still or sold.

    

3Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Fri May 22, 2015 7:16 am

Dai

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TWB - I think BrianPen is right. The R1150RT rear master cylinder does appear to be the same one as fitted to the K100; my caveat is that the hole spacings may be different. This listing distinctly shows that it's a push M/C in similar fashion to the K100:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/04-2004-BMW-R1150-R-1150-RT-ABS-R1150RT-REAR-MASTER-CYLINDER-BRAKE-8585-/351295869872?hash=item51cadd93b0

Interestingly, there's no rubber buffer between the actuating rod and the M/C piston.

This one shows the same bellows fitting as we have:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-R1150RT-2004-Twin-spark-51-547-miles-rear-brake-master-cylinder-/161682225730?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item25a502fa42


BrianPen: like you, I hated the feel of the rear master cylinder. I threw away that stoopid rubber buffer and replaced it with a home-made solid stainless steel one. IMHO instant improvement in feedback and braking.


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'83 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec, '87 K100RT
Others...
'78 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, '79 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,'93 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
    

4Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Fri May 22, 2015 8:34 am

Point-Seven-five

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I could be missing something here, but aren't the mounting bosses on the R1150 M/C on the bottom of the unit whereas on the K bike master cylinders they are on the top.  How can they be interchangeable?


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Present:
1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS
1988 K100RS SE

Past:
1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

5Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Fri May 22, 2015 9:13 am

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I have an R1150RT in my garage too. The rear MC from that wouldn't work on a K100/K1100 unless you replaced the footpeg mounts and brake pedal with something custom.


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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "What can I do to keep my life from going by so fast?" Then a voice comes to me that says, "Try slowing down at the corners." 

~Charlie Brown

1970 R60/5, '77 R75/7-R100, '85 K100'87 K75C, '87 K100RS, '93 K11-K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100-Mystic, '96 K1100RS, '98 K1200RS, '00 K1200RS, '02 K1200RS, '03 K1200GT, '04 R1150R'04 R1150RT, '05 K1200S, '06 K1200R, '07 K1200R, '09 K1300GT & 2013 R1200RT-Polizei  - Beemers owned still or sold.

    

6Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Fri May 22, 2015 12:49 pm

Dai

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Ah - that bit of information isn't exactly visible in pictures!


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'83 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec, '87 K100RT
Others...
'78 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, '79 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,'93 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
    

7Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Fri May 22, 2015 2:06 pm

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A coupla months ago I looked at as many options I could for my project bike. In the end I ordered a new 13mm rear M/C. There wasn't gunna be an easy answer unless I went the (wicked kewl) BSK Speedworks rearset way, or other. I opted for standard peg plates and stock position....for now.


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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "What can I do to keep my life from going by so fast?" Then a voice comes to me that says, "Try slowing down at the corners." 

~Charlie Brown

1970 R60/5, '77 R75/7-R100, '85 K100'87 K75C, '87 K100RS, '93 K11-K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100-Mystic, '96 K1100RS, '98 K1200RS, '00 K1200RS, '02 K1200RS, '03 K1200GT, '04 R1150R'04 R1150RT, '05 K1200S, '06 K1200R, '07 K1200R, '09 K1300GT & 2013 R1200RT-Polizei  - Beemers owned still or sold.

    

8Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:40 am

jdaley

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 I threw away that stoopid rubber buffer and replaced it with a home-made solid stainless steel one. IMHO instant improvement in feedback and braking.


Can you give me more details I am new to K100's please


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9Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:18 am

MartinW

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I've been running a Chinese rear master cylinder purchased of Ali express for $13.33 AU. Easy conversion some models may require a new hose.http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,9364.msg90596.html#msg90596
Regards Martin.


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10Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:04 am

Point-Seven-five

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I, too, am running those Chinese master cylinders on two of my bikes and have a combined 20,000+ trouble-free miles on them.  Probably the best $12 I have ever spent on my bikes. 

IMNSHO, when it comes to rear master cylinders, f*ck BMW.


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Present:
1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS
1988 K100RS SE

Past:
1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

11Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:47 pm

jdaley

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I am having trouble finding the Chinese part, can you help me please?


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Bendigo, Asutralia
    


13Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:13 pm

Packo

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Ordered 12 Jan 20 expecting a "long" wait.
Delivered 24 Jan 20
Gotta be happy with that!!!


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83 K100 HRD Outfit
77 R100RS
1992 K1100 Outfit
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14Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:19 pm

MartinW

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Just a warning for those contemplating fitting a Chinese master cylinder. DO NOT use the supplied hose between the reservoir and the master cylinder. It is not rated for brake fluid and it will fail eventually possibly dumping brake fluid over the rear tyre. The cylinder itself is fine and I believe it has better feel than the OEM.
Regards Martin.


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15Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:52 pm

nods

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Thanks a lot for the hot tip Martin.  Chinese special M/C on the way!


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Chassis number0025951
Vehicle code0504
SeriesK589
ModelK 100 RT 84 (0504 ( 0505 )
Body typeK 100 RT 84 (0504
Catalog modelECE
Production date1985 / 01
Engine0514)
Transmission
Steering
CatalyzerNONE
    

16Back to top Go down   Rear master cylinder alternative Empty Re: Rear master cylinder alternative on Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:43 pm

lion1453

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from s1000rr fits perfect you can buy cheap

    

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