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1Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Slipping clutch on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:28 am

alexanderfitu

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Hi all

My lovely K100 has developed a slipping clutch.

It slips when giving it the beans in 3-4-5. 

It also slips earlier on when 2 up. 

It only has 68,000 on it, so would be surprised if the clutch is worn out. 

Any thoughts?

    

2Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:30 am

Dai

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Probably is the clutch plate. Mine's doing the same at 70,000 miles and I know there's no oil leak to contaminate it. It's on my todo list at the next spline lube.


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'83 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec
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'78 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, '79 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,'93 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California,
'03 Suzuki Blandit GSF600SK3 (NFS any more because wifey has claimed it)
    

3Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:32 am

alexanderfitu

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Hmm Shame. 

What is the procedure to replace the clutch plate. It looks fairly involved due to its location. 

Does the engine have to come out?

    

4Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:35 am

Dai

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K100RT Spline Lube
The procedure is the same, except you don't have all the plastic to deal with.


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'83 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec
Others...
'78 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, '79 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,'93 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California,
'03 Suzuki Blandit GSF600SK3 (NFS any more because wifey has claimed it)
    

5Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:22 pm

alexanderfitu

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Excellent. Thanks indeed. 

To be honest, it doesnt look like a super fun job, but at least it will give me peace of mind that the splines are lubed.

    

6Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:04 pm

alexanderfitu

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HI All

Haven't been about much, many things have gotten in the way of getting my K100 back up to 100% running condition.

How likely is it that I have a worn clutch causing the slipping and not leaking oil from the engine or gearbox side?

Is there a way of checking this before I dismantle it all?

    

7Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:18 pm

Point-Seven-five

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Is there any oil coming from the weep hole in the bottom of the intermediate section between the engine and the transmission.  If so, is it engine or gear oil?  That should give you a good idea of what you are dealing with.


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1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS
1988 K100RS SE

Past:
1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

8Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:29 pm

K75cster

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If your seal is leaking with sufficient oil to effect the clutch then it will be visible under the clutch housing (the intermediate housing with the starter clutch alternator all in it) you will see a small weep hole and if there is oil mist present there then you can expect the seal will need replacing, provided the front of the bike is dry, if its oily misty then you cant be sure. But its a morning and a bit to replace the clutch, so anytime you have half a day spare and a new clutch plate you can go see for yourself. You will be surprised how straight forward these bikes are in their assembly.


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9Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:28 pm

RicK G

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I haven't seen a clutch on a K that was slipping from being worn out. All of them I have dealt with have been from oil leaking from the engine or gearbox.
My attitude is to replace the rear main engine seal when the gearbox is out unless I know that it has been done within the last few years and shows no sign of leaking.
Make sure you check the pressure and drive plate for dishing as it is a common problem and will cause the new plate to slip because it will only have contact on the outer edge.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

10Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:33 pm

indian036

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@RicK G wrote:I haven't seen a clutch on a K that was slipping from being worn out. All of them I have dealt with have been from oil leaking from the engine or gearbox.
My attitude is to replace the rear main engine seal when the gearbox is out unless I know that it has been done within the last few years and shows no sign of leaking.
Make sure you check the pressure and drive plate for dishing as it is a common problem and will cause the new plate to slip because it will only have contact on the outer edge.
We found dishing on the drive and pressure plates on Tom's 'Goulburn bike' when we had it dismantled for the sprag clutch free-up 

Can they be machined, or do they have to be replaced?

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress

1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Newest toy, slightly non-original
    

11Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:44 pm

RicK G

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I did repair one but it was a real PITA and would only do it again if I had no choice.
I have replaced them with the matching worn disc and all worked well. If the disc measures up well within limits at the outer edge then use it.
When I think about it I would not even hesitate to machine the new disc to match the taper if needed but new pressure and drive plates are best.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

12Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:51 am

Dai

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Surprisingly, it seems that slipping can also be caused by a badly adjusted clutch, but don't ask me how or why. I thought mine was on the way out but after re-adjusting the clutch as per 'The Right Way To Do It' (tm) it hasn't slipped since, even under a third-gear full-bore run. And no, the cable wasn't under tension.


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'83 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec
Others...
'78 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, '79 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,'93 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California,
'03 Suzuki Blandit GSF600SK3 (NFS any more because wifey has claimed it)
    

13Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:01 am

floyd

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@Dai wrote:Surprisingly, it seems that slipping can also be caused by a badly adjusted clutch, but don't ask me how or why. I thought mine was on the way out but after re-adjusting the clutch as per 'The Right Way To Do It' (tm) it hasn't slipped since, even under a third-gear full-bore run. And no, the cable wasn't under tension.

Mine was slipping too, after about 20,000kms on a new clutch plate. But I adjusted it (cant remember exactly what I did) and it was fixed.

Whats 'The Right Way To Do It' Dai?


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14Back to top Go down   Slipping clutch Empty Re: Slipping clutch on Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:38 pm

Dai

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@floyd wrote:Whats 'The Right Way To Do It' Dai?
Follow the manual instead of 'doing it the way you've always done it'. lol!


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'83 K100 upgraded to K100RS spec
Others...
'78 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, '79 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,'93 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California,
'03 Suzuki Blandit GSF600SK3 (NFS any more because wifey has claimed it)
    

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