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1Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:35 am

Stan

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Well it is warming up here....mid 30s and not even summer yet. My left pannier was warming up as well...but not because the ambient temperature, but because of the closeness to the muffler. If I place my hand inside and touch the base, the heat is immense. Is this normal?
I did carry a small plastic bottle which contained additive for valve lubrication in this pannier and I couldn't work out why it kept leaking out. Now I know..heat.
Your thoughts would be helpful. I have had one suggestion..to turn the pannier into an esky (chill or cool box) but that could be going too far.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
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2Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:49 am

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Have you got a heat shield on the muffler? Would take some searching but I do recall someone using insulated foil on a pannier, the self adhesive kind in a thread a year or so ago, remember that one mate?



Last edited by K75cster on Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:51 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : missed a word)


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3Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:59 am

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The R1150RTs have a foil heat shield on the bottom of the panniers.  I've seen pictures of panniers where the foil has  fallen off and the panniers melted very badly.  It may be worth while to add your own foil heat shield.


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2004 R1150RT 186,800 miles 
1991 K100LT 128,700 miles
1982 R100RT 106,900 miles
Total 422,400 BMW miles

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4Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:14 am

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There is a heat shield on the muffler, but you blokes talk of a foil sheet...does it go on the inside or outside of the pannier?


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

5Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:23 am

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Keep moving Stan. Faster the better.
Airflow.


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Basic/2 6308802K100CJ  05/1988

K1100RS 0194321
    

6Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:37 am

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Sounds a little like there is no heat shield on the exhaust/muffler. Or is part of it missing? Photo?

Its essential to stop overheating the pannier. When you park it also directs the rising hot air away from the pannier. Foil on the underside of the pannier may help, on the outside.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 42,640 miles.

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

7Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:33 am

RicK G

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I put some foil on our Ks on the outside and on the Givi boxes it worked a treat.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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8Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:49 am

Point-Seven-five

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I have that problem with my panniers as well.  Reflective foil sounds like a good idea. 

I see that the R1150 heat insulation goes for $22 a piece.  Might have to try some of that aluminum foil tape that is used on HVAC ductwork.  I wonder what the heat will do to the sticky stuff that holds the foil in place?


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1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS
1988 K100RS SE

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1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

9Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:58 am

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The oem foil heat shield goes on the outside of the pannier. The original foil on my R1150RT came off within the first year.  It was replaced under warranty and has been on now for about 10 years.


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2004 R1150RT 186,800 miles 
1991 K100LT 128,700 miles
1982 R100RT 106,900 miles
Total 422,400 BMW miles

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The cheapest thing on a BMW is the nut that connects the handlebars to the seat.
    

10Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:22 am

kioolt

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FYI, the part number for the heat foil is 46542316611.


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2004 R1150RT 186,800 miles 
1991 K100LT 128,700 miles
1982 R100RT 106,900 miles
Total 422,400 BMW miles

AMA,BMWRA,BMWMOA


The cheapest thing on a BMW is the nut that connects the handlebars to the seat.
    

11Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:13 pm

Point-Seven-five

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@kioolt wrote:FYI, the part number for the heat foil is 46542316611.

$26.42!!!

$9.99 per 3" X 25' roll.

http://www.findtape.com/product687/ISC-RTAF-High-Heat-Aluminum-Foil-Tape.aspx?cid=47&idx=12&tid=1&info=Aluminum%2bFoil%2bTape

Description says it can be used to protect plastic motorcycle parts from exhaust heat.


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1994 K75RT
1991 K100RS
1988 K100RS SE

Past:
1994 BMW K75S
1992 BMW K100RS
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

12Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:34 am

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hot pannier Img_1613
These are the views below...not much room at all.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

13Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:39 am

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hot pannier Img_1614


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

14Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:29 am

RicK G

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Gees Stan they are close, the Givi bags I use have a good 2 inches and they even get hot.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki
    

15Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:53 am

K75cster

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Strewth that is a close fitting muffler, I'd be temped to use the double sided tape and use the exhaust wrap or muffler banding stuff to lay a protective layer of it to the pannier, or even bond the muffler heat shield so it cant transmit heat.


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The Clever are adept at extricating themselves from situations that the wise would have avoided from the outset - QUOTE from david Hillel in Out of the Earth.
    

16Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:43 am

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Are all the panniers for the various ks the same size and shape..with the locks being the only differences?


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

17Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:57 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

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Something not right there...when I had the BMW panniers on the RT the gap was wide enough to slip my hand through, a bit more than the diameter of the exhaust hole.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011171 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 37,190 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 42,640 miles.

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

18Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:04 am

Stan

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The bike is an 83 basic...maybe not really designed for panniers?.
The brackets are in the right spots and I could not lift them as the panniers would not fit around the rear blinkers.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

19Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:05 am

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ainsjac wrote:Are all the panniers for the various ks the same size and shape..with the locks being the only differences?

there seems to be some differences stan ....not only the locks ...but the sealing type variations of lid to main body of the 3 versions of pannier  ...wouldn't  mind guessing in the size ..(slightly) as well

ill try and post a pic of the series one panniers tomorrow
I would be thinking some kind of adhesive backed silver foil type stuff might help on the bottom of the pannier

but a question ?

do you have the standard footrest plates ...cant see them in the pics mate ..for the year model - eg 83 - 84

and another question about the muffler retainer insulator ...(from the foot rest plates to the muffler )

is it the original ? I believe there are different versions ...which may bring the muffler closer to the pannier ?

im sure some may confirm or deny this

just trying to help out mate


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20Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:06 am

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Charlie, will take photos tomorrow and post them. Thanks for your suggestions so far.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

21Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:00 pm

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Charlie, I believe that the foot brackets are the ones for the 83 and all seem aligned.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

22Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:10 pm

Stan

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This is my 87 RT and would you believe...not much room either. Either bikes around here are well hung, I mean the panniers are low or they were designed that way. Haven't noticed any heat inside, but then again I don't carry much in it. On longer trips I put on the topbox to hold fluids.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

23Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:40 pm

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Hi Stan, I stuck silver sisulation insulation on the bottom of mine, using the joining sticky silver paper that comes in a roll. Has worked extremely well over time. I even had the exhaust heat shield off for a while and no damage. Good luck.
I have a heap of it left over if you want me to post it up.



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24Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:09 pm

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Thanks for the offer Bob. I have been working for last couple of weeks and have one to go. Real exploration of solutions will happen then when I pull a few things off. At the moment there is a snake(little one..one metre long) that thinks that my garage is his home, therefore not a good time to be under a bike.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
F800R black
    

25Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:19 pm

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I just use grandchildren as bait for snakes so they leave me alone, tell them it's a hose.


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26Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:46 pm

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For what it's worth, here's a shot of the RS' clearance.

hot pannier K100rs11


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27Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:01 pm

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and another pic with gerty and the staintune

hot pannier 20151010


just a thought stan
if you loosen the flanges around the front of the muffler .... and loosen the holding bracket to the foot rests .....undoing the z brackets as well ......so the whole thing is floating ....wiggle the muffler so that it actually moves on the exhausts ...possibly you might get a few more millimetres drop ....you might have to release the foot rest plates as well ....then bolt it all up again with a little more drop ....long shot but you might get 3mm or so more ? 

but looking at some of the other pics, seems pretty normal gap to the panniers

good luck


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'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%Ohot pannier Au-log10

'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
    

28Back to top Go down   hot pannier Empty Re: hot pannier Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:09 pm

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From the various photos it looks as though the panniers are at normal height. Blakey has less clearance than me. Will play silly buggers in about a week, after I am SURE that snakey has gone and do adjustments and possibly tape. Thanks to all for the help.


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1983 K100 basic vin 0003960 colour red  GONE
1987 K100RT vin 0094685 colour, orange peel, sorry, pearl..GONE
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