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MartinW

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After having my pannier come off from kicking it, even though it was locked on. I decided to do a bit of manufacturing to make sure that they can't come off again. After looking at the problem I concluded the best way was to plug the square holes the latches go into. 

First I made a couple of patterns out of scrap wood and cast them in aluminium at the North Pine Trades Guild. I wasn't happy with the square profile on the corners so ended up rounding them off in the mill and facing with the lathe.

 Now that I have done them it if I did them again I would cast them with the corners rounded. The retainer is held in place with one 6mm Allen bolt. At the moment I'm working out whether to paint them black or leave them as machined.
Regards Martin.
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Matthew-Brisbane

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I like Martin

Throw you a couple of bucks for  you time and guild resources can you make me a set  ?


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MartinW

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I preempted your request Matt the next versions will have all surfaces on the plug part machined, and will be sold via the North Pine Trades Guild for $30.00 Au a set. Postage if required will be extra.
Regards Martin.


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#metoo.


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MartinW

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Dave it looks like I'm going to be busy on Tuesday.
Regards Martin.


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volador

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Outstanding! What's that North Pines Trades Guild web address for orders?


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MartinW

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Volador I've just got off the phone to the treasurer of the guild and they will ship to the US. However the shipping cost could be a killer. On Monday when the Post Office is open I'll try and get a price for packaging and postage. I'll let you know whether to order through the guild or myself. And I'll have to sort out how they want payment. As it stands it looks like I'm going to be in charge of it. Due to the fact mine was a prototype and I didn't consider doing more than maybe two sets, there is probably a quicker and easier way of doing it. I'll have to talk to the brains trust on Tuesday.
Regards Martin.


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volador

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RightO, put me down for a dozen in Black if possible
Ships to NYC, NY 11103
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duck

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On bikes with a few miles on them, one of the reasons that the cases don't lock on really well is that the ridges on the Z rack right behind the square hole get worn down.

Example:

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You can combat this by putting some rubber or strong foam between the case and rack right behind the hole.  In the picture above you can see the rectangular outline where somebody stuck on some foam.


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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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sidecar paul

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Here's an alternative idea I posted some time ago.

https://www.k100-forum.com/t11503-pannier-security

Paul.


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DadofHedgehog

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@volador wrote:RightO, put me down for a dozen in Black if possible
Ships to NYC, NY 11103
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Martin, I'd be interested in a set as well. Thanks for sharing this concept.

Have you considered using some sort of a insert/twist/lock retaining device rather than the Allen bolt to hold this together on the bike? I remember seeing a device some time ago which had a spring-loaded button on the outside end, and wires (half-bearings?) on tbe other end which retracted into the shaft when you pushed on the spring-loaded front button... I'm sure this has a technical name but it's been too long ago for me to remember it, yet I hope you get the idea. Use of such a retaining device would make mounting and removing the aluminum block a snap.


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DadofHedgehog

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@DadofHedgehog wrote:

Have you considered using some sort of a insert/twist/lock retaining device rather than the Allen bolt to hold this together on the bike?
I guess the retaining device I'm thinking of is called a "locking quick-release pin". This website has a bunch of them listed under the name: https://www.mcmaster.com/pin-fasteners


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1982 BMW R100CS
1974 Kawasaki KZ400
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brickrider2

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That exchange answers my question about their convenience in actual use.  It appears you are on a good path!  cheers


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MartinW

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I considered a few different way's of retaining it. 1/ Was a lock and key 2/ Was spring loaded with an "R" clip 3/ A stud and nut. After thinking about all four methods and discussing it  I went with the Allen bolt under the KISS rule.
Regards Martin.


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duck

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Another thing you could do to keep the "hook" from moving forward that would be easy and cheap is to drill a hole and use an M4 clevis pin.

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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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Laitch

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@MartinW wrote: I went with the Allen bolt under the KISS rule.
cheers
That requires no altering of the rack that could subject it to fracture from vibration and provides a firm fit that the array of fasteners at McMaster-Carr probably could not provide unless the retainer were machined or drilled to a dimension specific to the selected fastener.


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MartinW

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Anybody wishing to order a set of retainers can contact the North Pine Trades Guild  and go to the contact page and fill in your details and request.http://northpinetradesguild.org.au/ The Guild is a non profit organization run by volunteers on two half days, Tuesdays and Fridays and full day Sunday. The Guild is dedicated to passing on and demonstrating trade skills. Recently  a sizable sum of money was donated by the Guild to farmers drought relief. They also donate time and money to other worthy causes. 

Due to the fact my set was virtually the prototype the new ones will be improved and change slightly in dimensions. They are going to be made out of a cast billet and fully machined on all of the outer retaining block surfaces. The inner clamp part might be reduced in size and thickness. I made my clamps out of a bit of cast scrap.The appearance will be virtually the same slight changes in some dimensions. I'll be switching to the new version as they are fully machined and look more professional than my ones. All efforts to meet orders will be attempted but Christmas is approaching fast.
Merry Christmas regards Martin.


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Laitch

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@MartinW wrote: Due to the fact my set was virtually the prototype the new ones will be improved and change slightly in dimensions.
Perhaps personal monogramming or Celtic knotwork on the outer face will be offered. I see upscale possibilities here, Martin.
 cheers


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MartinW

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Laitch don't put any suggestions into their heads. I only envisioned doing a set for myself and maybe a couple of sets for mates. I've had to enroll a retired ships engineer to do all the machining as I'm way to slow machining. I had come up with a couple of other things to cast and machine but I'm not game to post and now I'm too busy.
Regards Martin.


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DadofHedgehog

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@MartinW wrote:Anybody wishing to order a set of retainers can contact the North Pine Trades Guild  and go to the contact page and fill in your details and request.http://northpinetradesguild.org.au/ The Guild is a non profit organization run by volunteers on two half days, Tuesdays and Fridays and full day Sunday. The Guild is dedicated to passing on and demonstrating trade skills. Recently  a sizable sum of money was donated by the Guild to farmers drought relief. They also donate time and money to other worthy causes. 

All efforts to meet orders will be attempted but Christmas is approaching fast.
Merry Christmas regards Martin.
MartinW, Thou Art truly a Beneficent One!


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1997 Buell S3T Thunderbolt
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MartinW

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Went to the Trades Guild today and made up some patterns for casting billets. The billets were cat and were cooling when I left. On Friday Bernie and I will start the machining process. 
Regards Martin.


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92KK 84WW Olaf

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@Laitch wrote:
@MartinW wrote: Due to the fact my set was virtually the prototype the new ones will be improved and change slightly in dimensions.
Perhaps personal monogramming or Celtic knotwork on the outer face will be offered. I see upscale possibilities here, Martin.
 cheers
Might appeal to some Eccentrics.......


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MartinW

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Sorry the best I can do is tie a piece of string around them with a reef knot.
Regards Martin.


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MartinW

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After casting up 8 aluminium billets the machining has been progressing. The major portion of the machining has been done and most of the holes have been drilled ready for tapping. On Friday we are hoping to get close to completion, machining the finishing curves on the corners and start finishing off, ready for painting. The backing retainers have not been started, and to speed up the process we will probably use aluminium flat bar.
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MartinW

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The Trades Guild started back up today. We accomplished a fair bit and the finishing off was completed as well as cutting out the backing plates. These will be drilled on Friday and the painting will be started. I had a talk to the guild President and suggested that 100% of the proceeds from the sale of the retainers be donated to the fire relief. He agreed and we will look into other ways of helping.
Regards Martin.


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great idea martin


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MartinW

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Trying to do them production line.
Regards Martin.
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MartinW

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Finished today and then undercoated with etch primer and two coats of Dulux satin black. Fifteen sets sold two pending and two spare sets. Once paid for and shipped 100% of the proceeds will be forwarded to Fire Relief. I would like to thank Bernie, Bernies effort in doing these is much appreciated as was his manufacture of multiple jigs to enable us to speed up the process. Tuesday we will probably cast a couple of ingots just incase.
Regards Martin.
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MartinW

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The procedure and costs for ordering the retainers is as follows. The retainers are $30.00 Au per set and weigh 40 grams. Padded post bag is $2.00 Au up to 500 grams Economy Postage Untracked is $16.00 Au, Economy Postage tracked is $24.00 Au Express Postage is $39.00 Au. Once you have worked out the postage send your postage preference along with your name and address and your Paypal account details either direct to the Trades Guild  http://northpinetradesguild.org.au/index.php/contact or me. Once the order has been received you will be invoiced through Paypal, after Paypal acknowledges payment the retainers will be sent. All the current batch of retainers (20) have tentatively been accounted for. We decided to go Paypal to cover and protect everybody, however Paypal is dragging their heels in letting us set up the account, apparently due to the fact we are a charity. Hopefully we can start invoicing and dispatching soon. The next batch of retainers will started on Friday.
Regards Martin.


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MartinW

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Auxiliary Pannier Retainers (All proceeds to go to Fire Relief.) $730.00 Raised 723598 Going well on the next smaller batch. $450.00 Au raised so far with a few more sales pending.
Regards Martin.


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gorio

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@MartinW wrote:Auxiliary Pannier Retainers (All proceeds to go to Fire Relief.) $730.00 Raised 723598 Going well on the next smaller batch. $450.00 Au raised so far with a few more sales pending.
Regards Martin.
Well done!!!!

    

MartinW

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At the moment we have a problem where to send the money. A woman who raised over $50 million Au has found that due to the way the government set up Rural Fire's donation system all donations must be spent on equipment and training.  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/07/nsw-fires-massive-influx-of-donations-pose-a-nice-challenge-for-rfs-says-fire-chief As we would prefer it to go to people who were affected we are currently we are trying to work out where best to send the money raised. The Guild would also like to thank DadofHedgehog for his very generous donation and all the others that have contributed .
Regards Martin.


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brickrider2

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Well done, Martin! 
Do you know how much the postage to US of A would be?
Cheers,
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duck

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affraid   cheers 

Good job!


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT (x2)
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

MartinW

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The procedure and costs for ordering the retainers is as follows. The retainers are $30.00 Au per set Padded post bag is $2.00 Au  Economy Postage Untracked is $16.00 Au, Economy Postage tracked is $24.00 Au Express Postage is $39.00 Au. Once you have worked out the postage send your postage preference along with your name and address and your Paypal account send the details either direct to the Trades Guild  http://northpinetradesguild.org.au/index.php/contact . Once the order has been received you will be invoiced through Paypal, after Paypal acknowledges payment the retainers will be sent. We decided to go Paypal to cover and protect everybody.

Regards Martin.


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brickrider2

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Sorry for the confusion, Martin.  I understood your earlier explanation addressed postage within Oz only.


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MartinW

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No worries I should have said that was the US postage costs. Auxiliary Pannier Retainers (All proceeds to go to Fire Relief.) $730.00 Raised 161205
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MartinW

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Thanks guys, all of the first batch have now been sold. The second batch six sets has a reduced retaining lip but it doesn't impact on function or appearance. They are about to be painted. There is one set of the prototype left these are however made LH and RH wider lip and slightly bulkier. I've posted pictures of the retainers mounted in the following order prototype, batch 1 and batch 2. First picture is a picture of batch 1 black and batch 2 aluminium.
Regards Martin.

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