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1Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Odd noise on K on Sun Oct 28 2012, 15:25

graemem

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My K has been running really well, and yesterday after 400km my K started making a dry/scraping noise from either the gearbox or diff. The strange thing is that you only hear it when decelerating. At idle or under acceleration it is quiet.

I am slightly stumped
Graeme Rolling Eyes


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2Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Re: Odd noise on K on Sun Oct 28 2012, 17:01

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hi graemem

you have checked the oils in both the bevel box and gearbox ?

might be worth a look at the universal joint on the drive shaft ...and the lubrication of the splines both ends of the drive shaft also .

also check the pinion shaft for moovement (for - aft ) my previous one had about 2 - 3 mm moovement allowing the pinion to moove off the big diffgear ...and of corse oil leaks at the input bearing of the bevel box .

i dont have a lot of history regarding the output bearings of the gearbox ..but could be worth a thought . look for any oil leaks around that area .but the rubber boot that joins the swingarm to g/box would hide that from view .


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3Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Odd noise on K on Sun Oct 28 2012, 17:05

graemem

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Hi Charlie

I have replaced the oil on both the gearbox and diff because I also thought that might be the cause but it's still there. I will look at your other suggestions tomorrow it's 23:05pm here at the moment.

Thanx
Graeme


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4Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Re: Odd noise on K on Sun Oct 28 2012, 19:56

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Sounds like it could be the disc and caliper making that noise.
Check the pads for lining thickness and also check to see if the wheel has any play, grab it top and bottom and see if it has any wobble. If that is lose then the wheel will change its orentation to the caliper and could cause a scraping noise.


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5Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Re: Odd noise on K on Sun Oct 28 2012, 21:21

Inge K.

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@charlie99 wrote:hi graemem

you have checked the oils in both the bevel box and gearbox ?

might be worth a look at the universal joint on the drive shaft ...and the lubrication of the splines both ends of the drive shaft also .

I put a coin on the uni-joint.


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6Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Re: Odd noise on K on Mon Oct 29 2012, 00:11

RicK G

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And I bet another one it falls off.


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And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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7Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Odd noise on K on Wed Oct 31 2012, 02:32

graemem

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Hi All

Thanks for all the good responses. It would appear that my pinion has too much movement what size socket does the pinion nut use. It looks like a 36mm is this correct?

Thanks once again for all the good advice.

Graeme


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8Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Re: Odd noise on K on Wed Oct 31 2012, 02:56

RicK G

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I think 36 is right but there is also a 4 prong socket in there as well. That pinion bearing is a parallel roller bearing so just tightening the nut wont bake the shaft tight you will need to replace the bearing. The usual recommendation here is to just buy another drive but I am not sure ifthat is a viable option in SA.
Not sure what year your bike is (maybe put model in your signature line so all can tell at a glance) but when buying be careful to get the one with the correct spline on the pinion shaft. It will be a 16 or 20 spline the 16 being the earlier drive till the end of 86 I think.
There are some on Ebay US now ranging from $150 - $400. Check out the ratio first it is stamped on the housing near the joint with the swinging arm and will probably be 32 11 or 31 11. It shows the number of teeth on the crown wheel and pinion.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

9Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Odd noise on K on Wed Oct 31 2012, 05:13

graemem

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Hi Rick

Thanks for the advice I have obtained the new bearings so I will be installing them quickly and hopefully that will solve my problem.

I will be quiet for a while as laptops and oily hands don't mix. Will let everyone know how it went.

Graeme


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10Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Re: Odd noise on K on Wed Oct 31 2012, 10:49

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Hi Graeme,

36mm it is, and for getting the seal retaining ring out you need something like the tool on the right of the two photos. The same tool (33-1-700) is used on most airheads, the K series and the later R series (R11xx). The tool on the left is only used on the pre-paralever airheads so ignore it.


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11Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Re: Odd noise on K on Wed Oct 31 2012, 16:41

sidecar paul

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If you need a simple FD locking tool, have a look at this:-

http://k100rt.aforumfree.com/t3247-simple-bevel-box-locking-tool

Cheers,

Paul.


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12Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Odd noise on K on Mon Nov 05 2012, 14:47

graemem

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Hi all

After much searching I have found a K standing in a shed well looked-after but standing. The bike had been stripped of all plastics and lights with the intention of racing it, thankfully it only raced twice.

And now she's mine all mine, I am going to keep her as a donor bike for my K100RS, starting with the F/D and rear shock. My donor bike has a newly refurbished unit on it as well as the original exhaust and rear shock in a "spares" box.

Greetings
Graeme bounce


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13Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Re: Odd noise on K on Mon Nov 05 2012, 18:10

RicK G

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Good news Graeme there just isn't anything loke a donor bike. Did the stripped off plastic come with the corps or was it already gone.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1993 K1100 LT, 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki X 2 for now
    

14Back to top Go down   Odd noise on K Empty Odd noise on K on Tue Nov 06 2012, 00:58

graemem

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Hi Rick

Unfortunately the plastics are not available but at least everything else is in great nick.

Greetings
Graeme


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