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51Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Sun May 12, 2013 6:48 am

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Does the Shinano key have enough room to add a ring spanner so you can pretension that 30% with some 11/2" GI then hit the gun?? Hold the GI at 10oclock as if it lets go you have a bit of time to dodge it

    

52Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty That sounds Sun May 12, 2013 7:14 am

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That sounds like an excellent idea to me......never tried that but seems smart

    

53Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Sun May 12, 2013 8:36 am

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The bolt heads are Torx 50 and OK, none of the heads were damaged just the bits I was using. I have a T50 impact bit on the way so that will get them out and new bolts are on the way from UK and I am taking it easy because my back has decided it doesn't want to play ball this week.
All I'll be doing is robbing a valve from the spare and putting it in the head that came off the engine.
If I welded to the grade 10.10 bolts they would probably break at the weld.


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54Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Mon May 20, 2013 9:31 pm

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Well I am now regarding this as a bit personal. I recieved the impact torx50 socket and the impact gun just didnt work as I have tried before and the damn bit bent on the very first bolt I tried to undo so now it either drill it out which will put all sorts of crap through the engine or used dynamite. I can't get any sort of grinder in at the head of the bolt.


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And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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55Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Gee Mon May 20, 2013 10:55 pm

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I'm sorry to hear that rick. Some things that happen are beyond explanation.

    

56Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Mon May 20, 2013 11:02 pm

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10.10 cant be welded to generate heat down to the threads without risk of fracture below the weld site can it be frozen? or will it result in the same stress point. can you warn it and flood it in penetrine and let gravity do what it does in the shed overnight, the cold should help it head south, after bending the bolt 30% the thread is sure fixed in, if you drill it it still gets hot, either way you end up with a stud in the block and a way of getting the head off, as the only thing holding it on is the bolt heads? not the bolt shaft. that help?


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57Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Mon May 20, 2013 11:46 pm

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5 minutes ago I just shagged my 3rd drill bit on one of the bolts that I have already got out just to see if it will drill.
Thing is the bolt heads are fine. To be quite honest I have never come across a bolt that is so resistant to being removed.
All the bolts that have come so far have no sign of corrosion on the thread and they are oily when they do eventually come out and are not bottoming in the thread so I dont know what is holding then in there. Heat directly onto the thread would probably do the trick but how is another story.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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58Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty You probably already know Mon May 20, 2013 11:56 pm

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You probably already know this but, after a failed attempt at a drill job sometimes, I find that the old bit somehow Glazes the surface of the area trying to be drilled and the new drill bit will just kinda slide over the surface ruining that bit as well.
How reasonably sure are you that you have the very best industrial cobalt bits to attempt this? I can't see from here what type of failure you experienced when you say "shagged" the bit.
Any chance you could get a dremel in there with a grinding stone to just rough up whatever bore hole you may have, then try another new bit?
I'm tempted to go out in my junk pile and get a head bolt from my old K100 engine and try to drill it.....just to see what's happening there. Maybe I'll try it tomorrow.

    

59Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Tue May 21, 2013 1:14 am

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I got the drill bit to bite in but only just and then it work hardens the metal and being 10.10 that makes it real hard.
I have a new snap on bit coming tomorrow at least if it snaps or twists they replace it without question. Couple of mates in the trade still have said that they are the only tools worth having now. One said that even Stahlwille is not worth having now.
Its sort of become a personal crusade for me. All I want is to take 1 exhaust valve out of the head and put it in the other head and go for a ride. I didn't really expect all this *^#(^ crap.
I can feel a beer coming on.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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60Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Probably Tue May 21, 2013 2:39 am

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Probably would have been another option for me to send you a few exhaust valves out of a scrap head I have laying on the bench.
I'm trying to wrap up a deal with "TacKler" in Brisbane to ship him a final drive. I was going to send Blakeley's handlebar end bolt in TacKler's box to Brisbane, then he was going to send it on to Blakely, but Blakeley already found a source there.
Tackler has been a bit slow getting back to me on closing up the deal.....but if he does & you have a friendship there with him, it's possible he'd be willing to accept a couple of valves for you????? Then send them to you via local post? I know the time span is a long way out for you from here - through him, but if we can set it up, I'll just donate the best 3 (Exhaust?) valves I can find in this head???
As for the drilling. I assume you are proficient, probably more than I????
I might remind you that slower speeds might be better and a good quality Machinist grade cutting oil can make a huge difference. (No WD-40.....lol) No other kind of lubricant can be substituted, it has to be cutting oil.
Seems as if I remember that it's like high in sulpher or something.......smells like %$#^......really makes a drill bit BITE
I don't have any, but I do have some good cobalt bits and I'm gonna try drilling one of those bolts just for fun tomorrow. At least if I can't help, I can then have some "sympathy sickness" for you.......lol. Sorry I can't fix the back pain.
PS: Looks like he's only a fast 2 hour ride from you on a K????

    

61Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Dead issue Tue May 21, 2013 3:07 am

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I just discovered, I can't help with the valves. Mine is a 2 V, Yours in a 4.
I do have 1 more hairbrained idea. You have half the bolts out, correct?

Ok, assume for a minute that because those bolts are out, you have lost all that clamping force from them. Maybe the head has even more torque now on the remaining bolts because they are carrying the clamp pressure of all ten bolts....hence they would be stuck tight. Kind of in a bind?
Maybe you could lube up the ones you took out with lots of anti sieze and put them back in as tight as you dare. In theory, they would pull the head back down, relieving some of the stress on the five that are not yet out. After they're all back in, then heat the one you're working on as much as you dare, the heat should make that bolt minutely longer. Then give it the maximum heave ho & see if it pops loose??????

    

62Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Tue May 21, 2013 3:47 am

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WE often have to pull them back down on some of the 6cyl fords but the head of the bolt turns quite easily on the head its the thread at the base that is the problem.
Any way I will see what happens tomorrow just keep a look out for a mushroom shaped cloud to the south west and then you will know it didnt come.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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63Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty I think Tue May 21, 2013 1:14 pm

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I think you might consider my idea even though the top does turn. It could be equally helpful on both ends (if at all)

    

64Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Wed May 22, 2013 12:27 am

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Well I got a new snap on bit today and with mt reverse tension wrench I tried to crack the remaining 4 bolts.
I got to 150ft/lb and decided that I just dont want to destroy one more good tool and heav decided to attack the things with a diegrinder and tungsten burr then a stone if that dont work. I have been stuffing around for two weeks now and I cant just wait any longer as there are other things that also have to be done to it after the head comes off.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki
    

65Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty I'm sorry Wed May 22, 2013 12:40 am

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I'm sorry it hasn't worked out for you. I did not get a chance to see if I can drill these bolts today.
I would bet if you had my 700 ft/lb, Ingersoll 1/2" drive impact wrench running on a fat air hose with 175 psi of air pressure, it would rip those right out or break the heads off. Even with the "spring" you describe in the bolt shafts,
The impact wrench (with high speed, many beats/per minute) is still your best option. With A double hammer wrench running at big air pressure, the second beat will hit the bolt before it has had time to spring back.
I would even go so far as to run some air tool oil through the wrench just before attempting.
Can I assume that you did not reinstall the other bolts to lessen the clamp force?
The Snap on tool is fully warranted, I guess you are aware of that. Maybe the heads are too buggered already to succeed?
Could you shoot me a picture of the head with the location of which bolts are in & which ones are out????
I'm pulling for you, Rick.

    

66Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Wed May 22, 2013 5:14 am

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I have just finished cutting the heads of two of the bolts and they are lose and just screw out by my fingers. Threads are clean as and lightly oiled.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki
    

67Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Wed May 22, 2013 5:28 am

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Well done!


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68Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty ...... Wed May 22, 2013 12:42 pm

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Ahaaaa, good going rick. 3 to go????

    

69Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Wed May 22, 2013 7:18 pm

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Good work Rick....keep screwing.


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70Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 7:43 am

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How can a stud flex by 30% and not let go and when its head is cut off just unscrew by hand?????? Sheeesh


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71Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 8:23 am

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what the !!!!!!!

good luck with the rest


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72Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 10:11 am

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Got the rest out today and just as I took the head of the damn die grinder fell into the ports and took some of the humps and bumps out.
All I really did was match the ports to the inlet stacks, they were fairly well matched but one can always improve on mass production.
I can also feel a set of 1200 cams comming on too. Twisted Evil


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki
    

73Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 10:19 am

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@RicK G wrote:Got the rest out today and just as I took the head of the damn die grinder fell into the ports and took some of the humps and bumps out.
Twisted Evil
Well that was damn careless of ya, hope you sent the polishing mop in there after it!!! lol


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74Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 10:24 am

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I will be sure to polish all the rough bit.
Actually I am not a big believer in the polish finish for ports but a 180 -200 grit finish works very well and is much easier to do.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki
    

75Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 10:39 am

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yeah i heard similar from some top race prep guys rick ,,,they maintain that anything above 400 grit is getting too smooth

its on my plans list


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76Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 11:25 am

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There seems to be 2 schools of thought on that. The v.fine blast effect a la golf ball dimples
or the high polish .... sh1t off a chrome shovel.


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77Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty I'm askin' Fri May 24, 2013 11:40 am

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@RicK G wrote:Got the rest out today and just as I took the head of the damn die grinder fell into the ports and took some of the humps and bumps out.
All I really did was match the ports to the inlet stacks, they were fairly well matched but one can always improve on mass production.
I can also feel a set of 1200 cams comming on too. Twisted Evil
No real damage though, huh.....just nicks & scratches?
Do you have the good valve installed in the other head, now?

    

78Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 6:17 pm

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Well done \Rick...keep at it.


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79Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Fri May 24, 2013 11:37 pm

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I am going to do a head up and set up the 1200 cams while it is on the bench which is a heap easier than doing it on the bike.
The 1100 dont have shims and the whole bucket is the adjustment so to change a bucket its cams out each time and if I want to take a couple of thou of the stem its easy.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1998 K1100 LT, 1993 K75 RT, 1996 K75RT, 1986 K75 GS, 1979 Z1300 Kawasaki
    

80Back to top Go down   My turn today - Page 2 Empty Re: My turn today Sat May 25, 2013 10:37 am

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Exhaust ports I like real smooth, intakes are better a bit rough.

    

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