Exhaust compatibility / change

Rabidchiwawa007 · 1 Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:07 pm

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Hello all,

This is in regards to a 1992 k100 (motronic system, NOT L-Jetronic). My pipes keep cracking at the weld where the meet and go in to the muffler. The last time I took them off to re-weld them, they had almost fallen apart completely and were really only being held in place by the mounting system for the exhaust. I have an idea as to why this is happening: I believe it's due to the missing rubber mount support for the catalytic converter. I had attempted to create a brace, but that brace just broke in half from the vibration down there.

So the question: Would taking the catalytic converter out of the exhaust system make a huge difference in running? Good or bad? As far as I can tell, there is nothing there feeding the computer or anything. I would think it'd just get rid of a little back pressure, make it freer flowing, and thus make it run a little better. I'd like to get a different exhaust system altogether. I really like the stock square muffler from the older k100s. Would that be a viable option? What are some good aftermarket pipes / mufflers that would work with this bike?

Thanks in advance!

Rick G · 2 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:20 pm

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My K1100 was cracking up for the same reason and I finally put the exhaust headers from a K100 and a stain tune muffler (second hand as I am too tight to buy a new one) and it is good now, a bonus is that the torque at the bottom end is much better due to the longer header pipes.
now I spend more time riding and no time fixing the cracks. I even put a new mount on the cat and they still cracked.
I was told that welding a flat bar across all 4 pipes where they leave the head fixes the problem but was not prepared to try anything else when I finally got the staintune.

duck · 3 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:32 pm

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To the best of my knowledge there's no cat in there. With the K1100s in 93 they went to a cat which is why the exhaust looks virtually identical but the K1100 has an O2 sensor installed for the cat. (If you check out the 93 K1100LT marketing lit for the US it mentions that the 93 K1100 is the first cat'd bike to come out in the US.)

So, what the heck is in the big box under the tranny on a K100RS4V? Got me.

JMHO but the best thing you can do is get rid of the factory exhaust and replace it with a Staintune or Remus. They will both save some weight and simplify maintenance. And they don't crack were the headers meet the collector.

All of the Staintune and Remus exhausts I've had my hands on have had a bung hole for the O2 sensor. When I ran a Staintune on my 91/92 K100RS I just had a plug in there.

Disclaimer: This is my knowledge regarding US bikes. Not all countries had cat'd K1100s.

Rabidchiwawa007 · 4 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:40 pm

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Interesting. What is in that big bulge then. Maybe when I get my new set up I'll cut it open and find out Razz

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So of all those aftermarket mufflers and the older stock square muffler, which is the quietest?

Das Bitchz · 5 Crack Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:55 pm

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My muffler cracked just like yours where the welding meet the 2 parts, after reading about it I knew that welding this thing again would only last so long!...I rode all summer with this problems. The Bike was lacking in power, the sound was weird and different, and it backfired from time to time!
if you weld it back it will brake again...

I finally decide to purchase a complete system call the Black Whole muffler made by RB Racing...these guy knows what to do, the owner is pretty smart and knowledgeable about racing, he's one step above, go and see it, they make this thing in black or chrome and it takes about 120 days to ship. so plan in advance. cost is around $1100.00 usd but there is nothing better outhere, much nicer and better then the original heavy exhaust!

www.rbracing.com

duck · 6 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:24 pm

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Rabidchiwawa007 wrote:Interesting. What is in that big bulge then. Maybe when I get my new set up I'll cut it open and find out .

So of all those aftermarket mufflers and the older stock square muffler, which is the quietest?

The Staintune on my 93 K1100LT is roughly about the same as stock noisewise.

Same for the Remus on my 94 RS but supposedly there are two of them and one is louder than stock. I don't think we're talking HD loud though.

Rick G · 7 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:34 pm

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My staintune is loud far louder than I or the cops like. I think the PO used a crowbar down the middle the on it. I cant see anywhere it looks modded but I will have to do something or sooner than later I am sure to get a ticket to the policemans ball and they ge a bit expensive nowdays.

duck · 8 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:45 am

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RicK G wrote:My staintune is loud far louder than I or the cops like. I think the PO used a crowbar down the middle the on it. I cant see anywhere it looks modded but I will have to do something or sooner than later I am sure to get a ticket to the policemans ball and they ge a bit expensive nowdays.

I've had two or three of them on my Ks. Didn't seem louder than stock but sounded "better" (subjective) up above 4K RPM. JMHO.

The loudest one I had was on a K75. Not too loud but enough to make listening to music while riding not so great. Got rid of it and went back to a stocker K75 exhaust. YMMV.

Rabidchiwawa007 · 9 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:59 am

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Hmm. I'm thinking I'll go with the earlier stock square muffler then. I remember that being a LOT quieter than this round one on the '92. Plus, I can get those on ebay, with the headers, for under $100. The aftermarket mufflers are like $350 minimum used. I'll just have to make some mounting bracket stuff if I remember right, and deal with the center stand aligning with the pipes / muffler.

charlie99 · 10 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:22 am

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or send one over to caferacer 62 for a little modification perhaps ?

awesome sound ...not quiet erm so far , but free flowing

our mates albyalbatross and saxon7 have a great admiration for the standard exhausts with just a tweek or two

giggles

MikeP · 11 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:24 am

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Rabidchiwawa007 wrote:Interesting. What is in that big bulge then.

It's an expansion chamber. Think of it as part of the silencer. If it wasn't there, the silencer would have had to have been as long as the one fitted to 2-valve bikes.

Rabidchiwawa007 · 12 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:38 am

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@MikeP: ooooohhhhhhhhh, makes sense.

@charlie99: In relation to the older stock square muffler, right? What modifications are you referring to?

charlie99 · 13 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:03 am

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you haven't seen this yet ?

https://www.k100-forum.com/t4528-exhaust-modification-things

have a look

Rabidchiwawa007 · 14 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:52 pm

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Interesting. I'm not really sure what he did exactly though. I've never torn one apart myself so I don't know that much about how they work aside from how to put it on the bike and take it off! Weird that the same part is different dB ratings though. Either way, the difference between 89 and 92 dB doesn't seem like it'd be all that much.

charlie99 · 15 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:38 am

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3 db (is twice as loud by sound level equations ) ...but little working difference really ......but 3 db also equates to less restrictions .
unfortunately after the mods the noise went up by at least 6 db...so might be a pain for some commuter types trying to get away quietly in the early morning ....but very reminiscent of the old Honda fours with 4 into 1 extractors and more open pipe

it does sound awesome under load and at speed ...4000 +

was just a heads up mate

Brad-Man · 16 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:05 pm

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Das Bitchz wrote:My muffler cracked just like yours where the welding meet the 2 parts, after reading about it I knew that welding this thing again would only last so long!...I rode all summer with this problems. The Bike was lacking in power, the sound was weird and different, and it backfired from time to time!
if you weld it back it will brake again...

I finally decide to purchase a complete system call the Black Whole muffler made by RB Racing...these guy knows what to do, the owner is pretty smart and knowledgeable about racing, he's one step above, go and see it, they make this thing in black or chrome and it takes about 120 days to ship. so plan in advance. cost is around $1100.00 usd but there is nothing better outhere, much nicer and better then the original heavy exhaust!

www.rbracing.com

So what does it sound like compared to stock??????

Das Bitchz · 17 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:10 pm

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Brad-Man wrote:

Das Bitchz wrote:My muffler cracked just like yours where the welding meet the 2 parts, after reading about it I knew that welding this thing again would only last so long!...I rode all summer with this problems. The Bike was lacking in power, the sound was weird and different, and it backfired from time to time!
if you weld it back it will brake again...

I finally decide to purchase a complete system call the Black Whole muffler made by RB Racing...these guy knows what to do, the owner is pretty smart and knowledgeable about racing, he's one step above, go and see it, they make this thing in black or chrome and it takes about 120 days to ship. so plan in advance. cost is around $1100.00 usd but there is nothing better outhere, much nicer and better then the original heavy exhaust!

www.rbracing.com

So what does it sound like compared to stock??????

Sound is about the same with higher tone I've find!...but I heard it from another K100....I'm still waiting after mine, I should get is soon..(ordered in August!!) and when I get it I'll do a quick video on you tube so you can listen to it!

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1 Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:07 pm

Rabidchiwawa007

2 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:20 pm

Rick G

3 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:32 pm

duck

4 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:40 pm

Rabidchiwawa007

5 Crack Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:55 pm

Das Bitchz

6 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:24 pm

duck

7 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:34 pm

Rick G

8 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:45 am

duck

9 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:59 am

Rabidchiwawa007

10 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:22 am

charlie99

11 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:24 am

MikeP

12 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:38 am

Rabidchiwawa007

13 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:03 am

charlie99

14 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:52 pm

Rabidchiwawa007

15 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:38 am

charlie99

16 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:05 pm

Brad-Man

17 Re: Exhaust compatibility / change Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:10 pm

Das Bitchz

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