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1Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:42 am

Dai

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If you don't mind changing the connector, the HES plates from the K1200 series will also fit the K100 and K1100 series. TWB measured one for me as I've been offered a K1200 plate and I wasn't sure it would fit. Ebay shows them around half the price of a K100 unit.


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2Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:30 am

charlie99

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good find 

but im still replacing hall effect devices to the plate , successfully


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'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ########   "Red"  - (red sports rs TWB style )
1989 K100rt #009637   "Black Betty"  (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
    

3Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:02 am

Dai

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I would do that Charlie, but the cost of two HED + shipping is pretty much the same as a K1200 plate.


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1987 K100RT
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4Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:40 pm

Two Wheels Better

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Dai wrote:If you don't mind changing the connector, the HES plates from the K1200 series will also fit the K100 and K1100 series. TWB measured one for me as I've been offered a K1200 plate and I wasn't sure it would fit. Ebay shows them around half the price of a K100 unit.
Somewhere deep within the Big Block thread there's a picture and details of what needs to be done to the connector from K12 to K100/1100 to be able to use the K12 plate. It's what I did when fitting a K1200RS engine to the K11 engine loom. I recall I swapped two leads colour for colour, like orange to black and vice versa. I'll have a squiz to find it. Unless Dai already knows the details and can inform us sooner...

I just did a speed read through the BB thread and I must not have posted up the wiring requirements for the HES plate swap. I'm sure I still have the diagramme that came with the pieces, somewhere in my garage. Let's see if I can find it and post it up.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT. Projects: 1993 & '96 K1100RS, & the 2nd '98 K1200RS
    

5Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:45 am

charlie99

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Dai wrote:I would do that Charlie, but the cost of two HED + shipping is pretty much the same as a K1200 plate.
really ?  

wow !!!


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ########   "Red"  - (red sports rs TWB style )
1989 K100rt #009637   "Black Betty"  (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
    

6Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:41 am

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Where the pins go.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT. Projects: 1993 & '96 K1100RS, & the 2nd '98 K1200RS
    

7Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:16 pm

Dai

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I can get a CYHME56C (http://www.hallsensors.de/CYHME56C.pdf) for €14 each. Add the VAT and shipping and you hit €47.67. That's approx £43.30. The original K1200 plate cost £38.50 inc. shipping. I can't find the HES in the UK, so they have to come from Germany. A K100 plate? Think £90 and start climbing.


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
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1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

8Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:12 am

charlie99

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some time ago nigel found the right hall effects  and we bought as a group likely 10 or so , landed here  i think they worked out to about 12.50 aussie  each , so these days thats about 5 pounds each 

at worst the jaycar equivalents are 24.00 or so aussie $  thats about 12 pounds  and they work correctly , well some time down the track 6 years later still going strong ..

just an observation


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ########   "Red"  - (red sports rs TWB style )
1989 K100rt #009637   "Black Betty"  (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
    

9Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:15 am

Dai

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Two Wheels Better wrote:Where the pins go.
I'm going choppity-chop on the connector when mine arrives as I intend to fit a five-way Tyco waterproof connector. Nice to see that BMW haven't changed the colour codes just for the sake of being able to do it.


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
Others...
1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

10Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:20 pm

Two Wheels Better

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Dai wrote:
Two Wheels Better wrote:Where the pins go.
I'm going choppity-chop on the connector when mine arrives as I intend to fit a five-way Tyco waterproof connector. Nice to see that BMW haven't changed the colour codes just for the sake of being able to do it.
You will be swapping two of the pins to one another, including the insulated one, so careful with that axe, Eugene.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT. Projects: 1993 & '96 K1100RS, & the 2nd '98 K1200RS
    

11Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:51 pm

Dai

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Thank you for consuming two hours of my life with that comment. Found the 1974 concert on YouTube that I was at Very Happy. Well, to be accurate, it was the night after the Earl's Court show.


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
Others...
1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

12Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:03 am

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Dai wrote:Thank you for consuming two hours of my life with that comment. Found the 1974 concert on YouTube that I was at Very Happy. Well, to be accurate, it was the night after the Earl's Court show.
And thanks for paying it forward http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bA1.html

Bunch of weekend hippies in a transit van, with an overnighter at Stonehenge before it was fenced off. But the line up...


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106.
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
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13Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:22 pm

Dai

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Dammit!!! That was the FC Dave Swarbrick/Sandy Denny line-up too. I doubt I'd have appreciated it back then - I was only 11.


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
Others...
1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

14Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:25 pm

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Sitting cuddled up one evening with my Pommie girlfriend at the time, watching PF perform during Live Aid or something or other and she turns to me with wonder and remembrance in her eyes and says, "Daz, why are they sooo good!?" 

"As good as those brownies, dear?", I replied.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT. Projects: 1993 & '96 K1100RS, & the 2nd '98 K1200RS
    

15Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:30 pm

tinyspuds

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Dai wrote:Dammit!!! That was the FC Dave Swarbrick/Sandy Denny line-up too. I doubt I'd have appreciated it back then - I was only 11.
There were some big appreciation gaps for me too, but nothing to do with my age. It still felt like the 60s after all... Shocked


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106.
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
2000 Hayabusa with Charnwood chair, Wasp forks and EZS wheels.
    

16Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:48 pm

tinyspuds

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Two Wheels Better wrote:
"As good as those brownies, dear?", I replied.
Ooh, at least that good  Very Happy


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1985 BMW K100RT + Hedingham HUB and LL’s. VIN 0028106.
1986 K100RS in boxes. VIN 0141918.
1954 Royal Enfield 350 Bullet. Original.
2000 Hayabusa with Charnwood chair, Wasp forks and EZS wheels.
    

17Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:13 pm

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tinyspuds wrote:
Two Wheels Better wrote:
"As good as those brownies, dear?", I replied.
Ooh, at least that good  Very Happy
Luminous items from a very special kitchen, they was.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT. Projects: 1993 & '96 K1100RS, & the 2nd '98 K1200RS
    

18Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Mon Sep 25, 2023 10:03 pm

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I picked up a used K1200 hall sensor for my K100-2V. Yes the connector are different and after reading this thread plus looking at what pics and wiring diagrams I could find I am left hesitant. I want to test the hall sensor (using tech from this site) as there is a 30 day free return policy from the vendor. Here's the color code and pin #s, the test procedures are for the K100 color code hence my dilemma. The plan is to change the connector on the k1200 hall sensor if it passes the test procedure.

K100                          K1200

1 shield                      1 shield 
2 green (output)          2 black
3 red (+)                    3 brown
4 black (-)                   4 red
5 green (output)          5 orange


Do I use the pin numbers or color coding. One can see an obvious mix here that confuses. 


diagram from test procedure for K100

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K1200 plate and connector

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19Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:30 am

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Googling around..

http://www.kbikeparts.com/classickbikes.com/ckb.tech/0.ckb.tech.files/kwiring/K1200RS.SLP.Wiring.V1.0.pdf

Brown is ground
Red is +ve
Black is signal
Orange is signal

No personal knowledge of this at all, maybe check the sensor you have to confirm that Brown and Red are common to both pickups and take it from there?


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20Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:37 am

Dai

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Unfortunately it doesn't work like that Chris. There seems to be a peculiar parallel-series wiring setup inside the ICU which means that the brown wire is actually a signal wire and not earth, which would explain why the failure of one HES kills all four cylinders. I leave you to guess which wire really does go to earth...

@Bricklayer: use the colour codes. The K1200 HES plate is the same as the K75 and K100 plates except for the connector. Source of info: TWB, Motorworks and the fact that I've done what you are proposing.


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
Others...
1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

21Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:55 am

Bricklayer

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Hmmmm, I need some bean juice and my VOM... " I leave you to guess which wire really does go to earth...".



Let's try/fry again, can anyone tell me how to wire this


K100                          K1200


1 shield                      1 shield - 
2 green (output)          2 black -
3 red (+)                    3 brown -
4 black (-)                   4 red -
5 green (output)          5 orange - 


FYI - colors are different so using the "color codes" isn't seems odd as a solution.


LAST MINUTE EDIT... just found this pic on another thread. https://www.k100-forum.com/t11049-hall-effect-sensor-questions-solved

*Incorrect diagramme piccie deleted from forum records 
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22Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:38 am

Dai

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Actually, looking at what you have written for the K100, that is wrong. It appears to be based on the 'normal' way of wiring an HES sensor where red is positive, black is negative and green is output. BMW don't do that for some reason best known to themselves. A stripped HES looks like this:

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Black to red, orange to black, brown to green and red to green. The wiring colours would have you believe that the two outputs are connected to +12v and earth. This is the only place on a K-series where brown is not earth and red is not live.

So, for testing, treat the K1200 HES plate as you would treat a K100 HES plate i.e. brown as brown, red as red etc. when connecting to the LED. Forget the pin numbers and ignore what the wiring colours appear to be telling you.

[Edit] Edited the edit because I took the metaphorical whip to the Moderator-In-Chief and made him do some work.



Last edited by Dai on Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:54 pm; edited 1 time in total


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
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1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

23Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:49 am

Bricklayer

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YIPPI! Now that's what I needed to clarify it- thanks! 

I plan on NOT using the BMW connectors for the one on the bike that dry/heat rotted and the spare I just purchased as you may have mentioned doing in a previous comment.

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Some days one goes from HES wiring to remembering Pink Floyd lyrics to what enhances musical enjoyment, with a side trip to Susan the often sweet but sharp-edged Pommie girl, then back to HES wiring. All in one post. Truly grand.

I can - later on - go to the garage and snap of piccie of what I did to the K12 HES connector for Big Block back in 2014/5.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT. Projects: 1993 & '96 K1100RS, & the 2nd '98 K1200RS
    

25Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:52 pm

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Sure, why not? All in all, just another brick in the garage.

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26Back to top Go down   Substitute HES pickup plate Empty Re: Substitute HES pickup plate Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:55 pm

Dai

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But I do have to admit that's pretty good going to hit three puns in just nine words. Bravo! cheers


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
Others...
1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

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