FI relay not pulling in

Dai · 1 FI relay not pulling in Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:21 pm

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This one's got me completely beat...

- wiring is okay
- temp sensor is okay - tested by heat and replacement
- FICU and ICU are okay - tested by replacement with known good units
- turn the bike on, no reaction from the fuel pump. That has also been bench-tested and replaced, just in case
- bike starts easily every time and dies at 710rpm as expected
- FI relay itself is okay - bench tested and replaced with spanky new one

If the FI is earthed through pin 8 of the ICU, what in the ICU circuit controls it? Bert's help-all isn't helping, I'm afraid to say.

daveyson · 2 FI relay Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:43 pm

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-bike starts easily every time...
-turn the bike on, no reaction from the fuel pump.

That's normal, I don't understand the problem.

If the relay doesn't pull in, I would check it's socket to find, is there power at 86 with the ignition on, and earth at 85 with the start button pressed.

I'm guessing your going to say "yes" and I'm going to go "oh no, a can of worms has just been opened'

Rick G · 3 Re: FI relay not pulling in Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:08 pm

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The earth comes from pin 7 on the ICU a yel/br wire that goes directly to pin 85 on the FI relay. Pin 8 is a yel/red wire that goes to pin 1 on the ECU. There is only one earth feed to ICU which is the brown wire on pin 1.

Dai · 4 Re: FI relay not pulling in Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:26 pm

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Typo, Rick. I meant to say pin 7, not pin 8. I'm going to make a flying socket for the FI relay tomorrow so I can at least easily measure voltages at the pins.

@Davyson: its been too long since I last fired up a K, but I seem to recall the fuel pump ran for 1.5 seconds at ignition on. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

duck · 5 Re: FI relay not pulling in Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:10 pm

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Dai wrote:Typo, Rick. I meant to say pin 7, not pin 8. I'm going to make a flying socket for the FI relay tomorrow so I can at least easily measure voltages at the pins.

@Davyson: its been too long since I last fired up a K, but I seem to recall the fuel pump ran for 1.5 seconds at ignition on. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

Only the 4V Ks prime the fuel system. K75/K100s don't fuel until then engine starts turning. On those if it's not starting you can hear a little whirring as the pump winds down after you let off the start button.

firstle · 6 Re: FI relay not pulling in Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:58 am

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side stand ? i know but had to ask

Rick G · 7 Re: FI relay not pulling in Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:14 am

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firstle wrote:side stand ? i know but had to ask

Not on a K100 2V

92KK 84WW Olaf · 8 Re: FI relay not pulling in Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:02 am

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Dai wrote:Typo, Rick. I meant to say pin 7, not pin 8. I'm going to make a flying socket for the FI relay tomorrow so I can at least easily measure voltages at the pins.

@Davyson: its been too long since I last fired up a K, but I seem to recall the fuel pump ran for 1.5 seconds at ignition on. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

Dai that is for 4v and K1100, not if it is 2v K. Pump only comes live from start button on 2v engines. Also, 2v does not have side stand switch.

But on all you need either green neutral or clutch lever pulled to start.

firstle · 9 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:33 am

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the 2v model i have here does have a side stand switch (police) and did plug into the standard wiring , i have now taken it off because you cannot pull off with the side stand down on the 2v so why have a switch also , did they fit this for the police or europe models ? as far as i can see its pointless and just some thing else to go wrong

92KK 84WW Olaf · 10 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:45 am

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firstle wrote:the 2v model i have here does have a side stand switch (police) and did plug into the standard wiring , i have now taken it off because you cannot pull off with the side stand down on the 2v so why have a switch also , did they fit this for the police or europe models ? as far as i can see its pointless and just some thing else to go wrong

That is interesting/ My K100LT is ex UK police but it does not have a side stand switch but has the clutch lever side stand retractor. My 84 RT and 83RS had the self retracting side stand but I got rid of that 'feature' fast.

firstle · 11 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:35 am

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clutch lever side stand retractor ........ mine still has this and i thought a good idea , why did you take yours off ?

Laitch · 12 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:55 am

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firstle wrote:clutch lever side stand retractor ........ mine still has this and i thought a good idea , why did you take yours off ?

Dai's reference was to the sidestand self-retractor, BMW's application of artificial intelligence using springs instead of microchips. When the side stand is kicked down, the motorcycle's weight must be placed on it immediately. When the weight is removed, the springs retract the stand. Gravity took advantage of this situation innumerable times leading to a cadre of Brick owners skilled in using epoxy and fiberglass to repair cracked fairings.

firstle · 13 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:42 am

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no i think the post above is about the clutch lever side stand set up (Olafe post)

Laitch · 14 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:51 am

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firstle wrote:no i think the post above is about the clutch lever side stand set up (Olafe post)

I mistook the source of the quote but the meaning is the same in Olaf's—death to the self-retractor.

firstle · 15 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:14 pm

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i have not seen the setup you talk of , the one i have seen which is on the one i have now (switch i have removed) works very well , pull the clutch and the side stand folds , very simple a bit like the velocette LE main/side stand arrangement a bike i have always thought shares a few similarities? but the LE being years ahead .

Laitch · 16 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:38 pm

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firstle wrote:i have not seen the setup you talk of . . .

As the owner of W. Shakespeare's garage might have put it, There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Laughing

Here's some folklore and anecdotes about that gadget .
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92KK 84WW Olaf · 17 Re: FI relay not pulling in Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:18 pm

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I did not expect to open a can of worms but I will explain the difference.

Self Retracting Side Stand [Early K bikes, 2v]
Early Ks, 83, 84 had a side stand that needed the weight of the bike on it to stay down. If for some reason the weight of the bike was removed it immediately retracted. My introduction to this absolutely foul arrangement was when I went to buy my RT, from a member on the forum here.

I wanted to get off the bike, my normal practice from the K100LT I was riding for 3 years was to flick down the sidestand and then lean the bike on to it, making sure it was fully extended. But it would not stay down so I could not get off the darn bike.

Back to seller and I said this needs to be sorted or I can't buy the bike. At that stage I was happy with everything. Anyway investigation revealed a boomerang plate attached to the side stand spring that got caught by the bolt causing it to retract. Cut the bolt so the plate passes over it and all is good, sidestand stays down. I rode the bike home, a 2 hour ride on a sunny Friday evening.

Many years alter, buying my first RS, same feature but a hacksaw blade cured it in exactly the same way. Seller wished he had known that trick....

Side Stand Retractor later 2v Ks.
Now for my K100LT. It has a mechanism attached to the clutch cable that will retract the side stand. In theory it is fine but if you use be prepared to keep breaking clutch cables. But the resistance as you pull the clutch to start the bike does remind you to take up the side stand so as far as I am concerned its a great idea.

Side Stand Switch [16v and K1100 and some 2v police bikes.
This is located under the gear box and is actuated by the side stand being retracted.

This can go faulty so if you have a 16v K or a K1100 put the bike on centre stand and go in and have a look for this by using the side stand, you will see the metal tab.

Occasionally this goes faulty and you get a no start. As in the fuel pump will not prime. Most of the time a few wriggles will sort it. It is easy to make a by pass. It is worth finding where it connects to the loom and making the by pass and popping it in the duck tail for when the inevitable happens.

I have been told this is on some ex police bikes. My K100LT was ex police but did not have it. Otherwise, its only on 4v/K1/K1100

Feel free to point out any errors, but as it's Patrick's Day here all complaints will be directed to the Timbuctu office.

duck · 18 Re: FI relay not pulling in Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:37 am

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I often use the retractor thingy on my 2V Ks and have never broken a clutch cable. (But I always have a spare clutch cable in the tail cowl just in case. Kind of the converse of Murphy's Law - anything that you carry a spare of will never break. Very Happy

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firstle · 19 Re: FI relay not pulling in Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:51 am

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but as it's Patrick's Day here ................... and england V ireland saturday , its going to be a good weekend (england have no chance)

Dai · 20 Re: FI relay not pulling in Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:01 pm

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92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:I did not expect to open a can of worms

You can always go fishing. No feeding Guinness to the fishes mind.

Dai · 21 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:23 pm

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So, not the FI relay after all. I'm beginning to think that I may actually have a fuel pressure problem. I disconnected the tank prior to hitting the start button in a sort-of half-hearted way of trying to reduce the fuel pressure prior to removing it and the bugger started up. Died at 710 rpm mind. So I reconnected the tank. No go. Disconnected the tank. Yay!! (sort-of). Rinse and repeat. There was a thread on here where someone had a similar sequence of events but my Google-fu is complete crap today. Can anyone help please?

daveyson · 22 Relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:05 pm

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This thread originally reminded me of a thread where the fuel relay was faulty, but the symptoms were different and I got mixed up about your symptoms. I think it was called; Troubleshooting a 1985 K100 that won't start/stay running, by TrailKlaus.

Hopefully it's just a weak fuel relay that can cope with small loads, but collapses under a heavy load, like when the pump comes on.

I'm even more confused about the side stand comments. I adjusted mine so that it remains fully extended when I kick it down. I kick it up on autopilot when I want it up, it's one of the few things I don't forget. If I forget then it will retract when l pull in the clutch, so it's a good safety feature.

I've got early and late 2V models, I've looked under but can't see a bolt that could interfere with it, and can't see a difference between the two.

92KK 84WW Olaf · 23 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:24 pm

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Daveyson, Does your early K side stand self retract? I have done a few of these but I am not the only one to have removed this 'feature'.

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Dai · 24 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:35 pm

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If you're talking to me and not Daveyson, Olaf, the answer is I have neither sidestand nor clutch switch. The clutch switch is bypassed with a wire loop.

92KK 84WW Olaf · 25 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:01 pm

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Dai wrote:If you're talking to me and not Daveyson, Olaf, the answer is I have neither sidestand nor clutch switch. The clutch switch is bypassed with a wire loop.

Thats probably a wise move, otherwise the risk exists of no start when, not if. the switch failes.

firstle · 26 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:16 am

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can you put a temp earth on to the relay and back to the frame/battery , the relay maybe losing one side , can you hear/feel it drop out when the bike starts (difficult i know) , it will be some thing simple its just finding it and old bmw wiring . Crying or Very sad

Fuel pump relay trouble (k100-forum.com)

daveyson · 27 FI relay Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:05 am

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Yep, my early one also has the clutch lever side stand retract. One of them auto retracted, I thought because it was adjusted in a way that it didn't fully extend.

To me this is an important safety feature, probably because years ago a mate was riding along while the side stand came down, he took a turn and came down. He spent months in hospital.
I know this seems unlikely but it is a thing that sometimes happens.

I was riding my brick for a while before I read about this feature, and thought "my brick doesn't do that" I gave it a try and was pleasantly surprised that it did. I showed it to a few people who were also surprised by this nifty little feature.

I think it's a brilliant idea and can't think of a benefit for disconnecting it. I agree the safety switch type could be a nuisance if it fails, but not as big a nuisance as three months in hospital.

firstle · 28 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:18 am

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side stand coming down or left down is a killer 100% as a few have found out , the switch has gone but i will keep the clutch cable arrangment i think , on harleys and some moto guzzi its that big you can see it so unlikely to forget it , also on some guzzis it operates the rear calliper untill folded away , a good idea from guzzi Smile

daveyson · 29 FI relay Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:28 am

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Another thing that I don't understand is that it happened on a hardly, since it only extended 90 degrees (all the Japanese ones I've seen are more stable and extend further) Why didn't the stand just kick back up? He kicked it up but it came down while riding. I've thought that might be why bricks have two springs, side by side.

firstle · 30 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:51 am

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harley stands will not fold unless the bike is vertical , same as guzzi , so if he was taking a bend then would just dig in , nasty Crying or Very sad

robmack · 31 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:58 am

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Dai wrote:So, not the FI relay after all. I'm beginning to think that I may actually have a fuel pressure problem. I disconnected the tank prior to hitting the start button in a sort-of half-hearted way of trying to reduce the fuel pressure prior to removing it and the bugger started up. Died at 710 rpm mind. So I reconnected the tank. No go. Disconnected the tank. Yay!! (sort-of). Rinse and repeat. There was a thread on here where someone had a similar sequence of events but my Google-fu is complete crap today. Can anyone help please?

Sounds like my problem: Need help with 87 K75 - all elements for engine start present but won't start. What am I missing?

daveyson · 32 FI relay Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:25 am

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Won't fold if not vertical, interesting, thanks. Still a bit confused, woe is me. Another hardly rider visiting parked on the almost almost horizontal road but just a wee bit down hill, came back out to see his bike took a nap. I thought if the stand came out further than 90 degrees, that wouldn't have happened.

Dai · 33 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:29 am

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We used to call them "rat traps" on Guzzis (Spada and LeMans models). The solution was to file/grind the sidestand arm until it locked over-centre.

Dai · 34 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:34 am

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robmack wrote:

Sounds like my problem: Need help with 87 K75 - all elements for engine start present but won't start. What am I missing?

So what was the problem? Very Happy

firstle · 35 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:58 am

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daveyson wrote:Won't fold if not vertical, interesting, thanks. Still a bit confused, woe is me. Another hardly rider visiting parked on the almost almost horizontal road but just a wee bit down hill, came back out to see his bike took a nap. I thought if the stand came out further than 90 degrees, that wouldn't have happened.

dont know how that has happened , harley stands like early guzzi (1980s) had to comply with USA police requirements one of which is , once on the side stand even on a very steep incline the bike even if pushed forwards will not come off the side stand , guzzi went one further and there side stand put the rear brake on , latter guzzi side stands are rubbish and well known for letting the bike fall over , harleys are still very good and lock even at less than 90 degrees (my electra glide does 1996) not sure about the new ones

robmack · 36 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:11 am

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Dai wrote:So what was the problem?

Sorry, no happy ending for my problem. Bike never did run and I gave up on it after spending hours and hours trying. I might take another look at it in the spring.

92KK 84WW Olaf · 37 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:45 am

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robmack wrote:

Dai wrote:So, not the FI relay after all. I'm beginning to think that I may actually have a fuel pressure problem. I disconnected the tank prior to hitting the start button in a sort-of half-hearted way of trying to reduce the fuel pressure prior to removing it and the bugger started up. Died at 710 rpm mind. So I reconnected the tank. No go. Disconnected the tank. Yay!! (sort-of). Rinse and repeat. There was a thread on here where someone had a similar sequence of events but my Google-fu is complete crap today. Can anyone help please?

Sounds like my problem: Need help with 87 K75 - all elements for engine start present but won't start. What am I missing?

Died at 710 rpm.......

Thats the changeover from the pump getting signal from the button to getting signal from Hall Sensors [HES].

Now you have had the tank off and may have disturbed the big plug connector into the Ignition control Unit [ICU] and also the Fuel Injection control Unit [FICU] under the seat. Recheck these.

Dai · 38 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:18 am

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robmack wrote:

Dai wrote:So what was the problem?

Sorry, no happy ending for my problem. Bike never did run and I gave up on it after spending hours and hours trying. I might take another look at it in the spring.

duck · 39 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:20 am

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92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:

Side Stand Switch [16v and K1100 and some 2v police bikes.

Occasionally this goes faulty and you get a no start. As in the fuel pump will not prime. Most of the time a few wriggles will sort it.

One of mine was being was being a bit finicky so that I'd occasionally have to cycle the stand in order to get the switch to engage. Upon inspection I determined that little tang of the side stand gearing that pushes on the switch was sometimes not pushing far enough to engage the switch. I considered loosening the four center stand bolts and attempting to realign the switch mounting but that seemed like a lot of work so instead I put a short section of vacuum hose on the tang to make it fatter and it's worked well ever since.

Laitch · 40 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:39 am

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firstle wrote: harley stands like early guzzi (1980s) had to comply with USA police requirements one of which is , once on the side stand even on a very steep incline the bike even if pushed forwards will not come off the side stand

Maybe the requirement you're citing was rescinded. The only US federal regulation I've found so far is this:
A stand shall fold rearward and upward if it contacts the ground when the motorcycle is moving forward.
It can be found here—S5.2.4.

A stand that holds even when the motorcycle is pushed forward would act as a fulcrum to flip the moto if it were down when the moto and rider were underway and bearing leftwards.

firstle · 41 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:33 pm

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look at harley and guzzi side stands from the 1980s to understand how they work (not le manns) , the requirments for the guzzi side stand are in the moto guzzi history (a good read) harley already had one in place and guzzi wanted the police contract , they got part of it 2 or 3 states if i remember , if you are unfortuate enough to leave the stand down on a left hand bend chances are it will fetch you off as it lifts either the front or back wheel off the ground , nasty on a bend
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duck · 42 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:53 pm

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firstle wrote:look at harley and guzzi side stands from the 1980s to understand how they work (not le manns) , the requirments for the guzzi side stand are in the moto guzzi history (a good read) harley already had one in place and guzzi wanted the police contract , they got part of it 2 or 3 states if i remember , if you are unfortuate enough to leave the stand down on a left hand bend chances are it will fetch you off as it lifts either the front or back wheel off the ground , nasty on a bend
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I used to have the side stand switches shorted on my 4V Ks. (I now have them wired to only run in neutral with the side stand down.) I've ridden off with the stand down more times than I care to admit. It's never taken me down and usually the side stand flips up at first contact with the pavement. That said, if your first attempted left is at a significant angle and speed then it would most likely not end well.

Dai · 43 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:47 pm

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92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:

Died at 710 rpm.......

Thats the changeover from the pump getting signal from the button to getting signal from Hall Sensors [HES].

Now you have had the tank off and may have disturbed the big plug connector into the Ignition control Unit [ICU] and also the Fuel Injection control Unit [FICU] under the seat. Recheck these.

Nope but... I think I'm going to throw the injection sub-loom and make a new one. Just in case FI relay not pulling in 44271

Dai · 44 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:53 pm

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Laitch wrote:A stand that holds even when the motorcycle is pushed forward would act as a fulcrum to flip the moto if it were down when the moto and rider were underway and bearing leftwards.

The long Guzzi California-type sidestands lock when you put the weight on them. When you take the weight off, the springs pull the sidestand out of the lock and allows it to be retracted, thus it meets that US reg. It'll still fetch you off if you forget to flip it up, mind. The foot is normally the first thing to scrape on the deck on a fast lefthander too, although I have also beaten down the silencers when I was still young and immortal. Great shower of sparks... usually enough to frighten the sh!t out of the car that's too close behind you.

[edit] Come to think of it, I still have that pair of silencers in the garage roof...

daveyson · 45 FI relay Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:09 pm

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Those silencers should be removed from the garage roof, fastened to a shield, and mounted on the living room wall.

firstle · 46 Re: FI relay not pulling in Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:08 am

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Dai wrote:

Laitch wrote:A stand that holds even when the motorcycle is pushed forward would act as a fulcrum to flip the moto if it were down when the moto and rider were underway and bearing leftwards.

The long Guzzi California-type sidestands lock when you put the weight on them. When you take the weight off, the springs pull the sidestand out of the lock and allows it to be retracted, thus it meets that US reg. It'll still fetch you off if you forget to flip it up, mind. The foot is normally the first thing to scrape on the deck on a fast lefthander too, although I have also beaten down the silencers when I was still young and immortal. Great shower of sparks... usually enough to frighten the sh!t out of the car that's too close behind you.

[edit] Come to think of it, I still have that pair of silencers in the garage roof...

the harley one does the same hits the road , also the primmary case , guzzi decided that even with the side stand locked the bike could still roll forwards or backwards (must have been a steep hill) so the side stand also put the rear brake on , good idea .

Dai · 47 Re: FI relay not pulling in Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:56 pm

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firstle wrote:

guzzi decided that even with the side stand locked the bike could still roll forwards or backwards (must have been a steep hill) so the side stand also put the rear brake on , good idea .

That was only the IdroConvert because of the slush bucket (hydraulic drive).

Point-Seven-five · 48 Re: FI relay not pulling in Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:51 pm

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My Hondas had this little rubber thingie that hung down about an inch below the pad on the end of the side stand.

When the bike was parked on the stand, the rubber was deflected so the bike's weight was supported on the end of the side stand. If you tried to ride off without raising the stand, the first time the bike was leaned a little to the left the rubber hit the ground and flipped the stand up.

I cut it off of my bikes, and somehow never had a problem.

Point-Seven-five · 49 Re: FI relay not pulling in Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:54 pm

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I wonder how long we can keep ths thread going without saying anything about the fuel injection relay or the fuel pump.

daveyson · 50 FI relay Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:08 pm

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22 posts. There was a thread similar to this where the problem was fixed by replacing the fuel injection relay.

Edit: But this is a very interesting side stand thread, I wouldn't have thought that topic would be. It's probably about here where someone might chip in with "you guys crack me up"

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22 Relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:05 pm

daveyson

23 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:24 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

24 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:35 pm

Dai

25 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:01 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

26 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:16 am

firstle

27 FI relay Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:05 am

daveyson

28 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:18 am

firstle

29 FI relay Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:28 am

daveyson

30 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:51 am

firstle

31 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:58 am

robmack

32 FI relay Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:25 am

daveyson

33 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:29 am

Dai

34 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:34 am

Dai

35 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:58 am

firstle

36 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:11 am

robmack

37 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:45 am

92KK 84WW Olaf

38 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:18 am

Dai

39 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:20 am

duck

40 Re: FI relay not pulling in Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:39 am

Laitch